PAT Forum October 17, 2004

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PAT Forum October 17, 2004
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Agenda

• Who we are
• What we do
• What we have learned since the last forum
• Survey results
• How you can help
• QA

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Who We Are

• Tim Alexander
• Rev. Tony Freeman, Senior Pastor
• Al Smithson, Board of Directors
• Paul Johnson, Board of Directors
• Jon Borgeson, Board of Directors
• Arthur Casey
• Pam Edmondson
• Barb Mumert

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What We Do

• Purpose Our task is to find a permanent new home
  for the ministries of MCC-San Diego.

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What We Do

• Our meeting schedule
• We meet monthly and more often as needed.
• Between meetings, team members have individual or
  group assignments to complete.

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What We Do

• We are proactive
• We are calling churches, union halls,
  auditoriums, etc. to see if there are any
  appropriate properties for sale currently or in
  the near future.
• We have at least three realtors searching
  property listings and networking to locate
  potential properties.

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What We Do

• We do research
• City zoning
• Conditional use permit requirements
• Congregational needs
• Market analysis

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What We Do

• We are also reactive
• We investigate listings
• We investigate property leads, many of which
  come from you.

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What We Do

• We communicate with the congregation
• Letters
• Newsletters
• Bulletin announcements, and f
• Forums such as this

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Traditional Church Buildings
• Park Polk - condemned torn down
• Tierrasanta - sold to a developer

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Traditional Church Buildings
• 25 E in our price range, but not big enough
  to suit our needs and it had insufficient parking
• 3666 Madison also in our price range, but not
  big enough and with insufficient parking

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Traditional Church Buildings
• There are very few, if any, appropriate church
  properties in our price range which meet all our
  requirements.

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Industrial/Commercial Buildings
• Churches are only allowed in certain "zones", so
  zoning is of utmost importance.
• In addition to zoning, there are "overlay"
  issues, i.e. redevelopment, community plans,
  flood planes, etc.

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Industrial/Commercial Buildings
• Conditional Use Permit (CUP) and Public Assembly
  Change of use Permits
• Opens up issues with many city departments
  including traffic, environmental, etc.
• Subject to public hearing and neighborhood input
• Property must be made safe for public assembly
  usage issues include number of exits, building
  materials, etc.

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Industrial/Commercial Buildings
• Conditional Use Permit (CUP) and Public Assembly
  Change of use Permits
• Parking requirements- 1 space per 3 seats and an
  additional 2 of minimum auto parking for
  bicycles.
• Street parking does not count.
• Shared parking is only allowed if there is a
  deeded interest in the common property.

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Industrial/Commercial Buildings
• Conditional Use Permit (CUP) and Public Assembly
  Change of use Permits
• The CUP process takes a minimum 9 - 12 months and
  up to 18 months.
• The CUP process costs average 10,000 plus
  architects plans and permit may or may not be
  granted.
• Sellers are reluctant to take property off the
  market for such a long period with no guarantee
  of sale.

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Industrial/Commercial Buildings
• Once the CUP and building permits are received
  and escrow is closed a remodeling phase would
  begin to prepare the property for use and to meet
  the requirements of the CUP and building permits.
  Estimated time Four to six months.

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Industrial/Commercial Buildings
• Despite these challenges, an industrial or
  commercial building can be transformed into a
  beautiful church campus with the size and
  amenities we have been dreaming about

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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum
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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum
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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum
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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum
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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum
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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum
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What We Have Learned Since The Last Forum

• Industrial/Commercial Buildings
• We continue to search for a traditional church
  property that could fit our needs while also
  searching for a potential commercial/industrial
  property.

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Survey Results

• We had 211 responses. The responses varied
  somewhat depending on the length of time a person
  had been attending MCC - San Diego. Here is what
  you said

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Survey Results

• Over 71 of people responding somewhat or
  strongly agreed that we should keep our worship
  services in the Mid-City area (Hillcrest/North
  Park/University Heights/etc.), even if it means
  renting instead of purchasing. 18 somewhat or
  strongly disagreed.

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Survey Results

• However, 54 think it is most important to own
  our own facility. 29 somewhat or strongly
  disagreed.
• Obviously, we have diverse and conflicting
  responses

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Survey Results

• 85 of respondents are strongly or somewhat
  comfortable with the idea of purchasing a
  commercial property for renovation into a church.
  Only 7 somewhat or strongly disagree.

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Survey Results

• Again 54 of people are strongly or somewhat in
  favor of entering into a long-term lease with The
  Center (note that the term "long-term" was not
  defined). 27 somewhat or strongly disagree.
• Again, we have diverse and conflicting opinion.

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Survey Results

• One of the strengths of our congregation is the
  diversity of its members. We are comprised of
  people from all different faith backgrounds who
  come together and put those differences aside to
  worship God together.
• Our challenge will be to develop a consensus to
  identify the direction of our continued property
  search.

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Survey Results

• Trade-offs will likely be required. Obviously,
  there is no way to accommodate everyone's
  preferences in one property (at least not within
  our financial constraints).

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Survey Results

• To this end, the PAT will be working with the
  Spiritual Transformation Team being co-chaired by
  Teresa Biery and Dan Minchey. We will freely
  communicate between the two teams and coordinate
  our information-gathering to avoid confusion and
  streamline both processes.

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How You Can Help

• Prayer - Please keep praying. With God, all
  things are possible.
• Patience - This is an ongoing process it will
  take some time.
• Focus on ministry Wherever we are it is the 1
  thing. Supporting our ministry is what the new
  property is all about.

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How You Can Help

• Give to our Building Dreams Together Capital
  Campaign
• More pledges are needed
• More pledges need to be fulfilled.
• God is calling us to step out in faith and
  sacrificial giving.

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Open Discussion

• Q A
• Your thoughts about survey results
• Thank you for participating