Title: Why I am a doubter of evolution
1Why I am a doubter of evolution
- Ralph Seelke
- David Carrolls Critical Thinking Class,
- Nov. 19, 2008
2The short version
- Evolution (mutation and selection)
- Cant
- Do
- Anything
- Interesting
3Why I am a doubter (of evolution)
- Evolution demands that ALL the diversity and
complexity in our world is due to natural
processes- and the primary agent is mutation and
selection. - Almost everything interesting requires multiple
independent mutational events - A problem- when multiple things ALL have to
happen before you can get a selective advantage-
the probabilities become vanishingly small
(irreducible complexity)
4- We can actually test whether evolution is able to
work, when the evolutionary task requires
multiple independent steps. - When you ask natural selection to actually DO
something involving multiple events- it cant.
5Just so you know others see this as a problem..
- A very general problem inevolution how is an
advantageous phenotype selected when it requires
multiple mutations, none of which are
advantageous until all are present?...this
presents a barrier that would appear to be
difficult when two independent random mutations
are required to improve fitness and insuperable
when more than two are required (emphasis added) - Hall (1991), PNAS 88, 5882-5886
6Where Were Going
- Confessions of an experimentalist
- Why Irreducible Complexity is a problem- the
number TWO - What Evolution has been able to accomplish
- What it has NOT been able to accomplish
- Some conclusions
7Why Irreducible Complexity is a Problem-
Probability!!
- The main way evolution works is through random
processes at low probability- 1 in a million is
a common, fairly high probability that a mutation
might occur. - So if you need one mutation, the odds are one in
a million if you need TWO- the odds are now one
in a TRILLION!!!
8Long arms AND light bones!
???
Source Ronald Pine, http//home.honolulu.hawaii.e
du/pine/book1-2.html
9So- doing one thing should be easy for evolution
- Doing two or more things, when both or all have
to occur for evolution to take place, should be
hard - Can we TEST this??
10- To Test Evolution You Need
- A LARGE Population
- and/or
- MANY Generations
- A Trait That Can Evolve
- !!!!BACTERIA!!!!
- (or yeasts!)
11- 4 TRILLION in a 1 Gal Milk Jug!
- Thousands of Generations in a Year!
- COMPLEX Traits!
- When they evolve, we can FIND THEM!
12 Each Transfer Produces 6.6 generations of
evolution! 46 generations per week Almost 400 per
month Over 2,400 in a year 24,000 in ten years!
13We can FIND evolution BecauseWhen the microbe
EVOLVESitGROWSor GROWS BETTER in the
environment that we give it!!!!
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15MORE Evolution Before your very eyes!
16Is the Need for Two Independent Mutations REALLY
an Evolution-Stopper?Studies with the trpA Gene
of Escherichia coli
17Testing the Two Mutation Rule
- Find a well-studied gene, with known mutations
that inactivate it. - Introduce 1,2,3, or four inactivating mutations
- Let the gene evolve under highly selective
conditions
18The Gene of Choice trpA
19Results So FarIf Evolution Requires Two or More
Independent MutationsNOTHING HAPPENS
20Testing Large Populations of Bacteria for
Evolution
- Weve tested at least 2 trillion cells for their
ability to evolve, when two mutations are
required. So far, they cant. - When only one mutation is required, they evolve
readily- about 1 in every 100 million cells
evolves to be able to make its own tryptophan.
21Results of Serial Transfer
- One culture lost its trpAB genes within 275
generations. - Two additional cultures have been tested for
1050 transfers, or over 7,000 generations. - No Trp evolution observed.
- HOWEVER they do evolve
22The cultures have evolved to be able to grow
better in the tryptophan-limited medium
23The story actually gets worse
- Since beginning this project, we learned that our
microbe with two mutations actually should have
been able to evolve to become Trp- but it
hasnt. - The bacterial population heads for an
evolutionary dead end, where it lowers its
ability to evolve, in exchange for short-term
gain.
24A case of evolution preventing evolution
This path NEVER happens
Selection because of fitness advantage
Mutation
M1, M2 DeadTrpA
M1, M2 Weak TrpA
Change at 1584 ALWAYS happens
M1, M2 Dead TrpA
M1, M2 Strong TrpA
M1, M2 STILL Dead TrpA
Mutation lowers trpA expression, increases
fitness
Population of fully Trp cells
Reversion of M1 no longer selective both must
now revert for a Trp cell
25Why Does Requiring Two Changes Make Such a
Difference?
- With our strain with 1 mutation, 1 in every 100
million cells evolves to become Trp. - You would expect 100 mutants in a billion cells-
the contents of 1 milliliter of a bacterial
culture - If you need TWO mutations, you would expect one
in every 10,000 trillion cells- these would fill
at least 10,000 liters of liquid! - So at this point, evolution is an observation
without a plausible natural explanation.
26Why Not Pursue This Approach?
- Can long-term evolution demonstrate the evolution
of difficult traits? - Reviewer
- On this question (evolution of difficult
traits), we certainly know that long-term
evolution (really long-term) has created
"difficult" (complex) traits such as
photosynthesis, DNA replication, protein
synthesis, cell division, nitrogen fixation,
transformation, toxins and many more. - Another reviewer
- What can be said if the answer is no?
27Where this is of practical importance- antibiotic
resistant bacteria
- If, in the 1940s and 50s, we had known both the
capabilities and limitations of evolution, we
would have only used triple antibiotic cocktails-
and resistance would not be the problem it is
today.
28Acknowledgements
- Merck Foundation
- UW-Superior
- A.C. Matin Lab and Stanford University
- NUMEROUS undergraduate students!
- Pravien Abeywickrema,Kayo Sakaguchi
- Robert Jennings, Ranjuna Weerasekera
- Lynn Meyer, Sarah Rahn, Stephanie Ebnet, Jason
Uviasah, Benjamin Okemwa, Laramie Rapp, Jory
Fleishauer