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4. The Rise of Expressivism
  • Antti Kauppinen
  • PY 3702
  • Martinmas Semester 2007

2
I What is Expressivism?
3
I.1 Expressivism, Non-Cognitivism, Emotivism...
  • I will use expressivism as the general term for
    the sort of theories on which the primary
    constituents of moral judgments are attitudes
    rather than beliefs
  • This sort of views used to be called
    non-cognitivist, but as well see, recent
    expressivists are willing to talk about moral
    knowledge (and even, in a sense, moral beliefs),
    so this can be a slightly misleading
    characterization
  • Varieties of expressivism include emotivism,
    prescriptivism, quasi-realism, explanatory
    expressivism, neo-expressivism, ecumenical
    expressivism, and so on

4
Defining Characteristics
  • Expressivism is the conjunction of the following
    three claims
  • Moral psychology moral judgments consist in
    non-cognitive (world-to-mind) attitudes toward
    natural facts
  • Moral semantics the deep structure of moral
    discourse must be understood in terms of its
    function of expressing moral attitudes its
    primary function is non-descriptive
  • Moral metaphysics the only facts there are are
    those certified by natural and social science
    talk of moral facts is a matter of projecting our
    attitudes onto the world
  • So, expressivism is characterized by
    non-cognitivism, non-descriptivism, and
    projectivism
  • Note some recent expressivists reject some of
    these

5
I.2 Expressivism and Subjectivism
  • It is essential not to confuse expressivism with
    subjectivism
  • According to subjectivism, when I say Cheating
    on your spouse is wrong, I am describing or
    reporting my attitude toward cheating
  • Crudely, this is saying I dont like cheating
  • This is straightforwardly true iff I dont like
    cheating
  • According to expressivism, when I say Cheating
    on your spouse is wrong, I am expressing or
    manifesting my attitude toward cheating
  • Crudely, this is saying Boo cheating!
  • This is neither true nor false

6
The Basic Problem for Subjectivism
  • (Simple) subjectivism cant explain moral
    disagreement
  • If you say Collecting an estate tax is wrong,
    and I say, Hang on, collecting an estate tax is
    not wrong, we certainly appear to disagree about
    the wrongness of estate tax
  • However, on the subjectivist account, you just
    said I disapprove of estate tax and I said I
    dont disapprove of estate tax these two
    sentences may well be true at the same time, so
    where is our disagreement?
  • On the subjectivist account, to contradict you, I
    should say No, you do not disapprove of estate
    tax!
  • There are better ways to capture whats worth
    capturing in the idea that something can be good
    for x but not good for y

7
Disagreement in Attitude
  • Stevenson
  • Disagreement in belief two people have beliefs
    that cant both be true
  • Disagreement in attitude two people have
    attitudes that cant both be satisfied
  • Two men are planning to have dinner together.
    One wants to eat at a restaurant that the other
    doesnt like. Temporarily, then, the men cannot
    agree on where to dine.
  • Typically, ethical disagreement involves both,
    but only disagreement in attitude is essential to
    it
  • You say Boo dancing!, expressing an attitude
    with a world-to-mind direction of fit that will
    be satisfied if the world is such that there is
    no dancing and I say Hurrah dancing!, which is
    otherwise the same except that it will be
    satisfied if there is dancing so both cant be
    satisfied at the same time
  • D-in-a determines which beliefs are relevant, and
    ethical argument will terminate with A-in-A
    regardless of D-in-B

8
I.3 A Problem for Expressivism?
  • Philip Pettit and Frank Jackson have recently
    argued that if we accept a Lockean picture of
    language, expressivism collapses into
    subjectivism
  • On the Lockean picture, words are voluntary
    signs that come to stand for something when we
    agree to use them in the presence of certain
    beliefs
  • Any explanation of how we English speakers came
    to use the voluntary sign good' for the attitude
    we do use it to express, according to
    expressivists, must allow that we recognise the
    attitude in question in us. For, to follow Locke,
    we could hardly have agreed to use the word for
    an attitude we did not recognise and failed to
    believe we had, since that would be to use the
    word for we know not what'. But that is to say
    that expressivists must allow that
  • we use the word sincerely only when we believe
    that we have a certain kind of attitude. And then
    it is hard to see how they can avoid
  • conceding truth conditions to That is good',
    namely, those of that belief.
  • So, my utterance of That is good is true iff I
    approve of the demonstrated object

9
No Problem for Expressivism
  • Smith and Stoljar
  • We have agreed to use square for square things
    (to refer to them), and so utter That is square
    only when we believe something is square, insofar
    as were sincere. In virtue of the referential
    convention, claims like That is square can be
    true or false depending on whether the object is
    square or not.
  • By contrast, while we have indeed agreed to utter
    That is good only when we approve of something,
    insofar as were sincere, we havent agreed to
    use it for the state of approval it does not,
    by our linguistic conventions, refer to our own
    psychological states any more than square does
  • In short, while saying Thats good may indeed
    conventionally convey the speakers belief that
    she has the attitude of approval, but those are
    not its truth conditions
  • Compare That is square even though I only
    sincerely utter this when I believe that I
    believe the object is square, its truth doesnt
    consist in my so believing, but precisely in the
    object being square!

10
Varieties of Expressivism
  • By and large, expressivists agree on metaphysics
    all there is are natural facts
  • Differences between expressivists come out in
    moral psychology, semantics, and epistemology
  • What exactly does thinking that something is
    wrong consist in?
  • What is the non-descriptive function of moral
    discourse?
  • Can there be something worth calling moral
    knowledge if there are no moral facts that would
    make our moral representations true?

11
II First Wave Expressivism
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Basic Arguments for Expressivism
  • Depending on their philosophical background
    commitments, expressivists articulate different
    varieties of the following four basic arguments
  • The Argument from Moral Internalism Only
    expressivists can make sense of the essential
    action-guiding character of moral judgments
  • The Argument from Metaphysical Parsimony
    Expressivism can make sense of the phenomena of
    morality without problematic metaphysical
    assumptions
  • The Argument from Epistemic Inaccessibility
    Expressivism can make sense of our talk of moral
    knowledge without assuming peculiar and
    implausible cognitive capacities
  • The Argument from Semantic Openness
    Expressivists have the best explanation for the
    open feel that Moore noted

13
II.1 The Argument from Moral Internalism
  • This is the familiar Humean argument
  • Moral judgments essentially motivate
  • Stevenson goodness is magnetic, so that a
    person who recognizes X to be good must ipso
    facto acquire a stronger tendency to act in its
    favour than he otherwise would have had (1938,
    16)
  • Only non-cognitive states (those with
    world-to-mind direction of fit) essentially
    motivate
  • So, moral judgements are non-cognitive states
  • So, cognitivist theories like those of Moore,
    Ross, and naturalists must be false

14
Emotivism and Internalism
  • The emotivism of Ayer and Stevenson is in the
    first instance a thesis about the function of
    moral language
  • For emotivists, moral judgments consist in
    feelings of approval and disapproval, and moral
    utterances, in spite of surface grammar, are
    vehicles for expressing these feelings
  • Thus if I say to someone, You acted wrongly in
    stealing that money, I am not stating anything
    more than if I had simply said, You stole that
    money. ... It is as if I had said You stole
    that money, in a peculiar tone of horror, or
    written it with the addition of some special
    exclamation marks. The tone, or the exclamation
    marks, adds nothing to the literal meaning of the
    sentence. It merely serves to show that the
    expression of it is attended by certain feelings
    in the speaker. (Ayer)
  • Ayer and Stevenson are not particularly clear on
    exactly which feelings and attitudes are moral
    (as opposed to aesthetic or gustatory), but
    plainly they are meant to give rise to action, or
    at least a tendency to act
  • Ayer simply speaks of ethical feeling and
    special sort of moral disapproval

15
Emotivism and Moral Language
  • Stevenson emphasizes that the key purpose of
    moral language isnt merely expressing attitudes
    but exhorting others to share them
  • When you tell a man he oughtnt to steal, your
    object isnt merely to let him know that people
    disapprove of stealing. You are attempting,
    rather, to get him to disapprove of it. ...
    Ethical terms are instruments used in the complex
    interplay and readjustment of human interests.
    (19)
  • Some words have an emotive meaning, a tendency
    arising through the history of its usage, to
    produce (result from) affective responses in
    people
  • The word good has only an emotive meaning
  • Words like democracy and slut have both
    emotive and factual meanings

16
Emotivism and Moral Argument
  • For Stevenson, giving reasons in a moral
    argument is a matter of citing facts that are
    likely to influence the emotional reactions of
    others
  • The alternative is non-rational persuasion, as in
    presenting the suffering of the poor with such
    appeal that the opponent changes her attitudes
    toward the facts
  • Similarly, Ayer argues that moral argumentation
    presupposes shared attitudes toward facts and
    consists in trying to show that the opponent has
    been mistaken about the empirical facts of the
    case or made a logical error
  • If our opponent concurs with us in expressing
    moral disapproval of all actions of a given type
    t, then we may get him to condemn a particular
    action A, by bringing forward arguments to show
    that A is of type t.
  • If, on the other hand, the opponent, as a result
    of different conditioning, doesnt share our
    reactions, we finally resort to mere abuse

17
II.2 Semantics and Metaphysics
  • For the early expressivists, the main rivals were
    intuitionist non-naturalism and varieties of
    analytic naturalism
  • Both of these rivals drew metaphysical
    conclusions from semantic premises
  • In effect, both shared the assumption that good
    refers to a property, and analysis of its meaning
    can tell us which property it is an irreducible
    non-natural one or a natural one
  • Thus, the anti-realist expressivists defended
    their view by attacking the semantic premises of
    the realists

18
The Argument from Semantic Openness
  • As Moore had argued, whatever natural property N
    x has, it always makes sense to ask whether x is
    good
  • For expressivists, this amounts to asking whether
    to approve of x this is always an open question
    because
  • to think that something is good is to approve of
    it, but
  • to think that something has a natural property,
    whatever it may be, is not, as such to approve of
    it
  • So, expressivism can explain the openness of the
    open question without assuming that goodness is a
    simple, indefinable non-natural property
  • Early expressivists join Moore in inferring from
    the lack of natural definability that goodness
    cant be a natural property

19
Hare Against Descriptivism
  • An alternative expressivist argument against
    analytic naturalism is based on the possibility
    of moral disagreement and reform
  • Grant that we use terms like good on the basis
    of some natural properties that the object has
  • Still, it is possible that A thinks things that
    are x are good and B thinks different things that
    are y are good
  • If good means x for A and y for B, there is no
    disagreement between A and B things that are x
    are good-A and things that are y are good-B
  • But, intuitively, A and B disagree, so good
    cannot mean either x or y
  • Similarly, moral reform is possible someone may
    intelligibly deny that something we all have
    thought is good isnt such

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The Argument from Unverifiability
  • Ayers argument was based on the verificationist
    theory of meaning, according to which only
    statements whose truth or falsity can (in
    principle) be verified are cognitively
    significant
  • More precisely, meaningful synthetic statements
    are those that some possible experience can
    support
  • No possible observations, however, support moral
    conclusions, any more than they do metaphysical
    or religious ones
  • Thus, there is no way, in principle, to settle
    the argument between someone who thinks that
    abortion is wrong and someone who thinks its not
    wrong by appeal to facts
  • So, ethical statements lack cognitive meaning
  • They are unverifiable for the same reason as a
    cry of pain or a word of command is unverifiable
    because they do not express genuine
    propositions. (Ayer, 43)

21
Problems with First Wave Expressivism
  • No explanation for why we make the error we
    apparently do when we think and talk as if there
    were moral properties and facts
  • No explanation for the inferential role that
    moral statements, unlike expressions of emotions,
    can play
  • Verificationist theories of meaning have few
    supports, and the open question argument makes
    questionable assumptions, so the case for
    expressivism cant be build on them

22
III Second Wave Expressivism
23
Saving the Apperances
  • First wave expressivism could be attacked by way
    of rejecting the four basic arguments
  • Even if one were to accept their basic thrust,
    most philosophers now agree that there is a
    further desideratum that early expressivists
    missed, namely that of saving the apperances
  • We seem to argue about ethics, assert
    propositions, make inferences, think that some
    moral conclusions can be true independently of
    how we feel in short, our ethical thought and
    talk has a realist surface
  • To save the appearances, the expressivist must
    how this realist surface comes about if ethics is
    about attitudes

24
Quasi-Realism and Explanatory Expressivism
  • The two most sophisticated contemporary
    expressivist theories, those of Simon Blackburn
    and Allan Gibbard, are attempts to carry out this
    project of saving the appearances
  • In addition, they develop further the classic
    expressivist arguments from internalism and
    metaphysical parsimony

25
The Argument from Metaphysical Parsimony
  • Unlike the logical positivists, contemporary
    expressivists do not reject metaphysics as such
  • Rather, they embrace a particular metaphysical
    outlook, naturalism or physicalism at the end of
    the day, all that there is are the sort of
    properties that play an explanatory role in
    science
  • The project is fitting ethics into this picture
    telling a story that explains the features of our
    moral thought and practice using only
    naturalistic building blocks natural facts and
    our (natural) reactions to them

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III.1 The Argument from Internalism Refined
  • Internalism is an essential part of a
    naturalistic, evolutionary explanation for why we
    have a distinct capacity to make moral judgments
    in the first place
  • As social animals, we need to cooperate and
    coordinate our actions and reactions
  • The key function of morality is to make this
    possible
  • But morality can serve this function only if it
    is motivationally effective
  • Evolutionary success may attend the animal that
    helps those that have helped it, but it would not
    attend any allegedly possible animal that thinks
    it ought to help but does not. In the competition
    for survival, it is what the animal does that
    matters. This is important, for it shows that
    only if values are intrinsically motivating is a
    natural story of their emergence possible.
    (Blackburn, FE 48)

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Blackburn on Moral Attitudes
  • As weve seen, Blackburn wants to leave room for
    failure to be motivated
  • He also wants to avoid defining moral attitudes
    in phenomenal terms, since it is implausible that
    you must always experience a particular feeling
    when you sincerely call something wrong, say
  • Instead, Blackburn appeals to emotional ascent
    and stability to explain what makes an attitude
    moral
  • Start with preference, disgust, anger. Say I am
    angry with you for treating her like that. This
    is not yet moralizing, but suppose Im further
    disposed to accept others being angry with you,
    too, and even encourage them. Even stronger, Im
    angry with those who are not angry with you. Im
    even angry with those who are themselves angry
    but are not angry with those who arent.
  • Someone who moralizes in this way would
    disapprove of herself changing her attitudes, so
    her valuing attitudes tend to be stable
  • Being moralistic is treating everything from
    dress codes to food preferences high up on the
    ladder

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The Common Point of View
  • We cant very well expect others to share in our
    anger (and anger at those who fail to be angry
    etc.) if we moralize things that merely stand in
    the way of our own self-interest
  • There is thus an inherent pressure toward
    adopting what Hume called the common point of
    view when moralizing
  • When a man denominates another his enemy, his
    rival, his antagonist, his adversary, he is
    understood to speak the language of self-love,
    and to express sentiments peculiar to himself and
    arising from his particular sentiments and
    situation. But when he bestows on any man the
    epithets of vicious or odious or depraved, he
    then speaks another language, and expresses
    sentiments in which he expects all his audience
    are to concur with him. He must here, therefore,
    depart from his private and particular situation
    and must choose a point of view common to him
    with others he must move some universal
    principle of the human frame and tough a string
    to which all mankind have an accord and
    symphony. (Hume, Enquiry IX)

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Moralizing, Guilt, and Coordination
  • I feel guilt when I think that the anger of
    others would be justified in expressivist
    terms, I myself approve of disapproval of someone
    like me
  • Guilt is thus a matter of internalizing the anger
    of others. It characteristically derives from
    ones own actions and motivates one to make
    amends.
  • Shame, in contrast, is about internalizing the
    disdain of others. It characteristically
    motivates to hide, and may derive from anything
    associated with oneself.
  • Without feelings like guilt and shame, people
    would be much less likely to curb the pursuit of
    their short-term self-interest and pleasure,
    which in turn would lead to conflict and
    instability

30
Gibbard on Moral Judgment
  • Gibbards account of moral judgment is cast in
    terms of rationality of emotions
  • A judges that x is morally wrong iff A judges
    that (in the absence of excusing conditions) it
    is rational for her to feel guilt for having done
    x and for others to be angry with her because of
    it
  • A judges that x is morally obligatory iff A
    judges that it is rational for her to feel guilt
    for not having done x and for others to be angry
    with her because of it
  • Thus, it is possible to feel guilt for x without
    judging that x is morally wrong, since one might
    think ones guilt is not rational
  • So, the inquiry into understanding moral judgment
    splits into two what is it to judge that
    something is rational and what is it to feel
    guilt?

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Expressivism about Rationality
  • To think that f-ing is rational (warranted) is to
  • accept a set of
  • norms that
  • permit f-ing
  • Norms can be thought of as rules that pair
    actions with deontic statuses (permitted,
    obligatory, forbidden)
  • So, the Ten Commandments pair killing and
    fornicating with your neighbours wife with the
    status of forbidden and honouring your parents
    with obligatory
  • For any set of norms, it is a matter of fact
    which deontic statuses it assigns to actions
  • Ideally, a set of norms covers every situation
    that is, you can derive a deontic status for
    every possible action

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Accepting Norms
  • Hypothesis we have a special motivational
    control system that
  • responds to linguistically encoded precepts
    (norms) because
  • coordination and planning through language
    conferred an evolutionary advantage
  • Being guided by language could enhance a
    proto-humans biological fitness, both by
    enabling him to develop complex plans for action,
    and by leading him to coordinate his emotions and
    actions with those of his fellows. (68)
  • Those who can work out together reactions to an
    absent situation what to do and what to feel
    are ready for like situations. 72
  • Coordination requires aiming for consensus and
    being motivated by one when it is found

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Norms and Rationality
  • According to Gibbard, all norms are basically
    norms of rationality of various responses
  • The various different kinds of norms governing a
    thing moral norms, aesthetic norms, norms of
    propriety are each norms for the rationality of
    some one kind of attitude one can have toward it.
    Just as moral norms are norms for the rationality
    of guilt and resentment, so aesthetic norms are
    norms for the rationality of kinds of aesthetic
    appreciation. Norms of propriety are norms for
    the rationality of shock, so that something is
    improper if it makes sense to be shocked by it.
    (51-52)
  • Conversely, questions about rationality are
    questions about which norms to accept
  • In trying to decide what is rational, we are
    engaging our normative capacities to try to
    decide which norms to accept. We do this in
    normative discussion, actual and imaginative, as
    we take positions, subject ourselves to demands
    for consistency, and undergo mutual influence.
    (81)

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Emotions as Adaptations
  • As Gibbard acknowledges, his account of moral
    judgment is viciously circular if guilt and anger
    themselves involve moral judgments
  • So, he argues that they are plausibly adaptive
    syndromes
  • An adaptive syndrome is a combination of a cause
    (like intrusion), expressive behaviour (barking),
    and other behavioural tendencies (chasing the
    intruder away)
  • Its adaptive, because ancestors innately
    disposed to such behaviour in such circumstances
    were more likely to survive and reproduce,
    passing the relevant genes on

35
Guilt and Shame as Adaptations
  • Gibbard suggests that negative human emotions
    result from threats to ones place in cooperative
    schemes
  • Lack of resources to contribute shame
  • Lack of motivation to contribute guilt
  • Having such emotions is adaptive, because they
    help smooth out conflicts that would otherwise
    arise
  • These emotions are induced by things that
    typically portend bad treatment by others they
    are first-person counterparts to anger and
    disdain
  • Basically, early humans who had a tendency to
    modify their behaviour in these specific ways to
    mollify the anger and disdain of others were more
    likely to succeed in cooperative schemes and thus
    survive and leave offspring

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III.2 The Argument from Moral Supervenience
  • Briefly, Blackburns argument from moral
    supervenience against moral realism goes as
    follows
  • It is a priori that moral predicates supervene on
    natural predicates
  • A metaethical theory must explain why a priori
    truths about moral language hold
  • Moral realists cant explain why moral
    supervenience is a priori
  • Expressivists can explain why moral supervenience
    is a priori
  • So, we should reject moral realism and embrace
    expressivism

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Supervenience
  • Supervenience can be either an ontological
    relation between sets of properties or a logical
    relation between sets of predicates
  • In ontological terms, supervenience holds between
    base properties and supervening properties when
    it is necessarily the case that
  • there is no change in the supervening properties
    without a change in the base properties (for
    example, your beliefs dont change without a
    change in your brain) and
  • two objects (or worlds) that have the same base
    properties have the same supervening properties
    (for example, if two worlds have the same
    distribution of neurological patterns, people in
    them have the same thoughts)
  • Thus, as it is sometimes put, if mental
    properties ultimately supervene on physical
    properties, then if God wants to create a world
    in which people think exactly the same thoughts
    as they now do, all She has to do is to create a
    world which has identical physical properties

38
Supervenience, Reduction, and Identity
  • Supervenience as such is neutral between
    reductivist and non-reductivist views about the
    relationship between base and supervening
    properties
  • If A-properties and B-properties are really the
    same, there (trivially) can be no change in
    A-properties without change in B-properties
  • The interest in supervenience stems largely from
    the fact that it is a relationship of dependence
    that is compatible with the two sets of
    properties being non-identical
  • Supervenience is compatible with multiple
    realizability A-properties can be realized by
    many different bases
  • So, pain could be realized by C-fiber activation
    in humans, D-fiber activation in baboons,
    activation of area 51 in Martians, and so on

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The A Priori Supervenience of the Moral
  • When it comes to the mind, it is an empirical
    discovery that thoughts supervene on brain events
  • We can coherently conceive of a world in which
    peoples thoughts change without a change in
    their brain
  • That is, Cartesian dualism isnt a priori false
  • Arguably, this is not the case with ethics
  • Everyone who grasps the point of moral language
    knows that if two people do exactly the same
    thing in the same context, it cannot be the case
    that one of them does something morally wrong and
    the other something morally acceptable
  • Or, if you think that someone can go from being a
    good person to being a bad person without a
    change in her natural features (or
    circumstances), it only shows you dont properly
    grasp the concepts involved

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Supervenience and Analytic Necessity
  • If it was analytically necessary that euthanasia,
    for example, was always wrong, supervenience
    would be explained
  • It could not be the case that something has the
    same natural properties and different moral
    properties, because having certain natural
    properties would entail have certain moral
    properties
  • However, if non-naturalists are right, there is
    no necessary connection between any particular
    natural properties and being good
  • So, there are no necessities of the form Vx (Nx
    -gt Mx)
  • So, it is logically possible both that euthanasia
    is right and that euthanasia is wrong, for
    example
  • To tell which moral quality results from a given
    natural state means using standards whose
    correctness cannot be shown by conceptual means
    alone. It means moralizing, and bad people
    moralize badly, but need not be confused.
    (Blackburn 1984, 184)

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The Explanatory Challenge
  • So, if it is possible that an act of euthanasia
    isnt wrong, how come is it a priori that if it
    is wrong, any other act just like it is
    necessarily wrong?
  • If God could have created a world in which
    euthanasia has the property of being wrong or a
    world in which euthanasia doesnt have the
    property of being wrong, why couldnt he have
    created a world in which some acts of euthanasia
    have the property of being wrong and others
    dont? Why is there a ban on mixed worlds?
  • Note that since we are talking about an a priori
    necessary truth, induction wont do the trick
  • It isnt just that we observe act x of kind A to
    be wrong, act y of kind A to be wrong etc. and
    then conclude that all acts of kind A are wrong
    rather, we know in advance that if one action of
    kind A is wrong, all are

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Expressivism and Supervenience
  • Blackburn argues that expressivists, and only
    expressivists, can explain why moral
    supervenience is a priori in spite of lack of
    analytic necessities
  • The purpose of moral language is to guide choices
    on the basis of natural features
  • If we didnt evaluate like cases alike, we
    couldnt guide choices on the basis of natural
    features
  • So, we must evaluate like cases alike to fulfil
    the purpose of moral language
  • Competent users of concepts are in a position to
    know what is necessary to fulfil the purpose of a
    discourse
  • So, we know a priori that that we must evaluate
    like cases alike

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Blackburn on Supervenience
  • When we announce our moral commitments we are
    projecting, we are neither reacting to a given
    distribution of moral properties, nor speculating
    about one. So the supervenience can be explained
    in terms of the constraints upon proper
    projection. Our purpose in projecting value
    predicates may demand that we respect
    supervenience. (Blackburn 1984, 186)
  • If we allowed ourselves a system (schmoralizing)
    which was like ordinary evaluative practice, but
    subject to no such constraint, then it would
    allow us to treat naturally identical cases in
    morally different ways. ... That would unfit
    schmoralizing from being any kind of guide to
    practical decision making (a thing could be
    deemed schbetter than another although it shared
    with it all the features relevant to choice or
    desirability. (ibid.)
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