Jung and Freud

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Jung and Freud

• With emphasis on the former
• A bit of Propp, too

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Freud

• Mind blank at birth
• Unconscious filled with repressed upsurges of the
  id
• If repression causes pathology, bring to surface
• But repressed urges are not pure too upsetting
  for that they are disguised in symbolic form
• Therapist deciphers symbols
• These are shared because of shared experience
• Tales (and other material) provide symbols for
  expression of that which cannot be dealt with in
  pure form

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Jung

• Mind not blank starts with collective
  unconscious
• The nature/nurture debate and its political
  implications
• Also believes in common imagery, common symbols,
  but source of these is collective unconscious,
  something innate, not shared experience

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The archetypes

• Freud mind model unconscious is not a factor,
  except in repression
• Jung unconscious in part of your awareness
• But because it is unconscious, you can be aware
  of it only in a certain, limited way the
  archetypes

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The archetypes of the collective unconscious

• Anima/animus
• Mother
• Child
• Old man
• Shadow
• This is not a complete list

• Structured by polar opposites
• Variable axes
• Examples Kali and Diana the Huntress
• Joe Namath selling panty hose
• Women sell mens shirts
• Power of opposites love/hate relationships

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Power of opposites cont.

• In terms of understanding what people think, what
  they react to emotionally, this is extremely
  important
• A figure with contradictions is more powerful
  than a consistent (simplistic) figure
• This principle used in commercials, MTV, films
  and other popular media
• The Borg, Imperial Walkers
• Dennis Rodman
• Yours truly
• MD who will stick fingers in various orifices

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Opposites in talesTales teach power of opposites

• Girl with palace surrounded by skulls
• Disgusting seeming figure who turns out to be a
  beauty (Girl in Pigskin Cloak)
• Animal groom belongs here too
• Removing thorn from paw of lion
• Drinking from the river of pus
• Analog to divine mystery, wisdom

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Russian examples (and others)

• Bloks ??????????
• Stalin as a good/evil leader
• Motherland which nurtures and demands ultimate
  sacrifice
• Love for last 2
• Legends about leaders
• Abe Lincoln and his smarts (1 room schoolhouse)
• Washington and cherry tree rebellion against
  authority and conformity
• Arnold Schwartzenagger notice good/bad switch
  in Terminator

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Trickster figure and childhood

• Trickster as animal
• Wily, wise and foolish
• Wisdom of the child and helplessness, folly of
  the child
• Listen to your inner child and all I needed I
  learned in Kindergarten phase
• Trickster figure in tales the animal tales

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Journey of integration or individuation

• MUST be made
• Usually at age 10 after ego established
• Denial of unconscious like excision of organ
• Fear of journey first archetype encountered is
  shadow

• Shadow as negative aspects of self
• Darth Vader as shadow
• Encounter with DV, guidance of Yoda, in swamp
• Excision of hand

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Integration journey

• Has a kind of sequence shadow first, other
  all-encompassing archetype (anima/animus) last
• But need for MULTIPLE journeys to develop as a
  person
• See various aspects of archetypes and thus
  various aspects of self
• Other way to learn is projection on to the
  outside world, like family

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Connect Jung and Propp

• Archetypes are like dramatis personae
• The tale as a whole (morphology, complete move)
  is like a journey of integration
• Explains sameness of tales and great diversity of
  tales
• Implications?