Title: PAIN FROM INFIDELS
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2PAIN FROM INFIDELS?
- Pain of Muslims expressed
- and emphasised
3LOVE IN ISLAM
- Pain and destruction of others?
4Roman Catholic Church supporting Islam
- The Vatican deplored the violence but said
certain provocative forms of criticism were
unacceptable. - February 2006 - "The right to freedom of thought and expression
... cannot entail the right to offend the
religious sentiment of believers," the Vatican
said in its first statement on the controversy.
5Humanism and NWO
- The United States called the burnings
"inexcusable" and blamed the Syrian government
for security failures. Feb 2006 - "Syria must act decisively to protect all foreign
embassies and citizens in Damascus from attack,"
White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said
in a statement. "We will hold Syria responsible
for such violent demonstrations since they do not
take place in that country without government
knowledge and support." - British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who has
criticized European media for reprinting the
caricatures, said there was no justification for
the violence in Damascus.
6Western Understanding
- "It's horrible and totally unacceptable," Danish
Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller said on Danish
public television Saturday. - Feb 4 2006 - No diplomats were injured in the Syrian violence,
officials said. But Swedish Foreign Minister
Laila Freivalds whose country, along with
Chile, has an embassy in the same building said
she would lodge a formal protest over the lack of
security. - In Santiago, the Chilean Ministry of Foreign
Affairs said the Chilean Embassy in Damascus was
also torched but nobody was injured.
7Action of Islam and Muslims
- Mahmoud Zahar, leader of the militant Palestinian
group Hamas, told the Italian daily Il Giornale
the cartoonists should be punished by death. - We should have killed all those who offend the
Prophet and instead here we are, protesting
peacefully." he said.
8CARTOON ROW
- "We have a right to defend our prophet," one
protester told the BBC. -
- How?
- By teaching and desire to kill others?
- By insulting in all conceivable ways?
- By forbidding all other opinion?
- By forbidding all other expression?
9The Free World enjoys different Views - This is
Freedom ?Islamic World enjoys Islamic View only
This is Totalitarianism ?
- CARTOON ROW 2005 - 2006
- 30 Sept Danish paper publishes cartoons
- 20 Oct Muslim ambassadors complain to Danish PM
- 10 Jan Norwegian publication reprints cartoons
- 26 Jan Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador
- 30 Jan Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office demanding
apology - 31 Jan Danish paper apologises
- 1 Feb Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain
reprint cartoons - 4 Feb Syrians attack Danish and Norwegian
embassies in Damascus
10Islamic Defence Destroy, Hurt, Propaganda,
Commotion
- We have a right to defend our prophet," one
protester told the BBC. 4 Feb 2006 Saturday - "They should have respected our religion," said
another. - An Iraqi militant group in the insurgent
stronghold of Ramadi calls for attacks on Danish
and non-Muslim targets in Iraq - Two tabloid editors in Jordan, arrested after
publishing some of the cartoons, plead not guilty
to charges of insulting religion.
11The Fact of World Order/Respect
- "The principle of diplomatic relations is that
diplomats can work safely and the fact that this
has been broken is extremely serious," Norwegian
Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere told a news
conference in Oslo. - The US also criticised Syria's approach, saying
it was "inexcusable" for such damage to be
inflicted on diplomatic missions.
12Islamic Treatment 2006
- In Iraq, the Islamic Army in Iraq, a Sunni Arab
insurgent group, issued an Internet statement
calling for attacks on Danish companies and
nationals. The group asked followers to "catch
some Danish people and cut them into pieces."
13Freedom of expression, a cornerstone of Western
democratic values
- Many Muslims cast it as another insult
14"Bush and his group have invaded and are fighting
war by all means available," it added. "The goal
destroying the Islamic nation ideologically,
economically and existentially and stealing and
looting its resources." - Islamic expression in
Iraq 2006
- There are Western Muslims in USA and other
Western Countries. - They chose to live in places other than Islamic
nation.
15Hundreds of Muslims surged through nearby streets
in Beirut, waving green religious flags and
shouting "God is greatest."
- Notice that none follows the Bible declaring
greatness of Yhwh God Almighty of Israel. - So much for telling the World they worship the
God of Abraham and Moses.
16FRANCO FRATTINI, EU Justice Commissioner
- It should be crystal clear to all that violence,
intimidation, and the calls for boycotts or for
restraints on the freedom of the press are
completely unacceptable. - I can understand the feelings of indignation,
frustration and sadness of the Muslim communities
over the last few days. Such events do not
facilitate dialogue between faiths and cultures.
- - Feb 2006
17HOSNI MUBARAK, Egyptian President
- Freedom of opinion, expression and of the press,
which we guarantee and respect, cannot be used as
an excuse to insult sanctities, beliefs and
religions. - Feb 2006
- In other words There is no freedom of opinion,
and expression of the press if they insult
sanctities, beliefs and religions such as Islam. - Worth noting that Christians have not been
burning buildings of Islamic countries and
issuing decree for the murdering/death of Muslims
when Muslims and the Islamic World propagate
words and ideas against the Christian Holy Faith,
Yhwh Almighty God, the Jews/Israelites, and the
Holy Bible. - The Jews have not been rioting and burning
Iranian and Arab buildings.
18HAMID KARZAI, Afghan President
- Any insult to the Holy Prophet, peace be upon
him, is an insult to more than one billion
Muslims and an act like this must never be
allowed to be repeated. - Feb 2006 - Not allowed by force, murder, terrorism?
- Why are Jesus Christ imitated and insulted?
- Why is Yhwh God Almighty counterfeited and
ignored and persecuted? - Why are Christians accused of rewriting the Bible?
19AHMED QUREIA, Outgoing Palestinian Prime Minister
- We hope that the concerned governments are
attentive to the sensitivity of this issue. We
warn that emotions may flare in this very
sensitive issue. - Feb 2006 - Why are Muslims and the Islamic World/nations
allowing Muslims to be ruled and overpowered by
Islamic emotions, and other people(accused to be
infidels) to be enslaved or dictated by their
Islamic emotions? - Is emotion being used as a weapon of conquest?
And as a justification to commit any violence ?
20Blair condemns cartoon protesters
- The behaviour of some Muslim protesters
demonstrating in London over cartoons of Prophet
Muhammad was "completely unacceptable", Downing
Street has said. - - 6 Feb 2006
- Placards glorifying the 7 July bombings and calls
for the enemies of Islam to be killed featured in
Friday's demo.
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22Omar Bakri Mohammed
- In Islam, whoever insulted a prophet must be
"punished and executed". - "We are not saying ourselves to go there and
start to look to him and kill him, we are not
talking about that. We are talking about Islamic
rules. If anybody insults the prophet, he will
have to take a punishment," Omar said.
23The other side of Islam
- Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesman for the Muslim
Council of Britain, said there would be "no
sympathy" among Muslims for those who waved
"incendiary" placards or banners. - "Those extremists who were inciting violence were
trying to hijack genuine feelings amongst Muslims
for a more violent agenda," he said.
24Flemming Rose, culture editor of Jyllands-Posten
- "We were not treating the Prophet any differently
from anyone else in Denmark" - D.Lim Respect has to be earned.
- Violence, repression, and terrorism are not ways
to earn or command genuine respect. - Jesus Christ teaches cross-bearing.
25Munira Mizra, British journalist reporting on
Islamophobia
- "Many Muslims want the same freedoms as everyone
else to debate and criticise" - Feb 2006
26Dr Lam Akol, Sudanese foreign minister
- "In the Third World they hardly separate between
the journalist's and the government's views" -
Feb 2006 - D.Lim The Third World is so-called because it
does not warrant same level of respect as the
First and Second World. The religious bubble has
not developed them nor brought them development
to be so affluent as the First and Second World.
Their god is great!? Who is first to be third?
27Roger Koppel, editor of the German newspaper Die
Welt
- "We think we are living in a secular society
where even religion can be satirised" - Feb
2006 - D.Lim Eastern Muslims see Germany as Christian
country. Biblical Christians know that Germany
is secular and non-Christian.
28Karen Armstrong, religious affairs commentator
- "We are seeing a clash of two different notions
of what is sacred" - Feb 2006 - D.Lim Western countries often see Secularisation
and Humanism their sacred religions.
29Dr Yunes Teinaz is the spokesman for the London
Mosque and Islamic Cultural Centre - 2006
- We respect the heroes of other religions and we
would expect the same from the followers of other
religions and ideologies. No Muslim, for example,
is allowed to portray a picture of Jesus. - D.Lim The character of Jesus Christ is
substituted by the character of Isa. No Muslim
revere Christ as God the everlasting Father, The
Way, The Truth. - Self-imposing rule is not what other religions
required. Christians can paint Christ, Moses,
David, even Abraham freely. This is Freedom in
Christianity, so lacking and twisted in Islam.
30Flemming Rose is the culture editor of
Jyllands-Posten newspaper in Denmark, which
originally published the cartoons
- I did not ask the illustrators to make the
Prophet a laughing stock - I asked them to draw
the Prophet as they see him. - D.Lim Muslims by large numbers do not allow or
welcome this freedom of the mind and expression. - In Christ, there is such freedom, and honesty.
- This is not division to communities. The
communities have always been divided,
ideologically, religiously, truthfully. When has
there ever been a union? What union has Christ
with anti-Christs?
31Stewart Lee is the creator of Jerry Springer -
The Opera, which some Christians found offensive
- The cartoon in which the Prophet is trying to
stop suicide bombers entering the afterlife
because they have run out of virgins has a kind
of political point behind it. But I don't think
they really appreciated the massive taboo you
cross by portraying the image of Muhammad. There
is really no historical precedent for it. - I'm sure the level of offence is far greater than
would have been intended.
32Munira Mirza is a commentator on multicultural
issues and Islamophobia
- Many Muslims want the same freedoms as everyone
else to debate, criticise and challenge their
religion. - Feb 2006 - Many don't want to be treated as a special group,
seen as worthy of more protection from criticism
than other groups because of their apparent
victim status. - There are a lot of British Muslims who I'm sure
would not be offended by the cartoons. There are,
of course, many who are upset and hurt, but
that's the point of living in a free society. - No matter the price, the principle of freedom
must be defended. Unless we stand up for freedom
of speech, we are unable to engage freely and
hold belief systems - of all kinds - to account. - In Denmark, there are counter-demonstrations by
moderate Muslims saying they don't want the
images banned. - This idea that all Muslims have to hold the line
against Islamophobia is just nonsense. We should
not play the games of extremists and nor should
we play into the very patronising assumptions of
the British political elite about what Muslims
are capable of listening to.
33Sayeed Nadeem Kazmi is a member of the Al-Khoei
Foundation, an Islamic charitable organisation
based in London
- It is interesting that these cartoons were first
published in Denmark, where there is an official
Nazi party. Feb 2006
34Karen Armstrong is a leading British commentator
on religious affairs and author of Muhammad A
Biography of the Prophet
- - do we have a right to say whatever we want even
if it is false and dangerous? - More importantly, however, freedom is as sacred a
value for us as the Prophet is to Muslims. Feb
2006 - We are seeing here a clash of two different
notions of what is sacred and this is part of the
modernising process. - Modernisation and secularisation has this bumpy
ride where people at different levels of
modernisation are clashing. In other parts of the
world where modernisation is not yet complete it
is not regarded as a crucial as other sacred
realities.
35Roger Koppel is the editor of the German
newspaper Die Welt, which reprinted some of the
cartoons
- It's our cultural tradition. I think it is
legitimate to publish pictures and cartoons like
this I don't think they go too far. Of course,
my personal opinion is that the reactions have
gone way, way too far. - We did it because it's a highly political event
of course and we wanted to show what is the
corpus delicti, the reason for all this uproar -
that was the first thing. And the second thought
was that we think that we are living in a secular
society where even religion can be subjected to
criticism and satire. - It's not acceptable in a western country, if you
publish a cartoon like this, that the newspaper
has to apologise, or even the prime minister has
to apologise. - Also, Muslim spiritual leaders seem not to be
doing much in order to calm the reaction of their
people, in order to explain, for example, what it
means in our tradition to publish cartoons like
this. - D.Lim Do these Muslim spiritual leaders respect
any others, any country that is not Islamic? In
their teachings? In their lives?
36Dr Lam Akol the Sudanese foreign minister
- In the Third World they hardly separate between
what is a journalist and what is the Danish
government's point of view. - Once a Danish paper has published something then
it is concluded that this is the opinion of
everybody in Denmark. So that is the kind of
feeling that should have been understood from the
beginning. Feb 2006 - D.Lim Seems that the thought to be Third World
need some education to align with the Modern
Industrialised West. This development was due to
Christianity.
37Love in Islam?
38This Conflict Has Little To Do With Drawn Lines
- The difference in this instance is that tens of
thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of
mainstream Muslims took to the streets of
Denmark, Lebanon, Iran, Norway, Britain and
countries all over the world demanding that the
editorial cartoonists who drew the offending
caricatures be put to death or at the very least
demanding that their hands be cut off, literally.
This lends credence to a growing perception that
Muslims actively expect the world to conform to
their ideals. - By Frank SalvatoFebruary 10,
2006
39Action of Muslims
- ARABS ATTACK DANISH PEACEKEEPING HEADQUARTERS IN
HEBRON 10 Feb 2006 - HAMAS TERRORISM BRINGS ABOUT ISRAELI RETREAT -
10 Feb 2006
40In Halifax
- The professor who put the cartoons on his office
door said he was merely trying to promote a
reasoned debate. 10 Feb 2006
41Who are the violent Mulsims rioting in the street?
- The most moderate Muslim will go to the street
and talk against it because this hurts the
sentiments of every Muslim - Pervez Musharraf 13 Feb 2006
- The rest who do not come out are less moderate?
More violent? More wary?
42More fire than bonfire
43More evil than good
44More violence than tolerance
- The most moderate Muslim will go to the street
and talk against it because this hurts the
sentiments of every Muslim - Pervez Musharraf
13 Feb 2006
45Jesus teaches bearing the cross
- Christians allow enemies to tread on them and
tread on the cross. - David Lim
46Muslims show little respect for the cross
- Enemies of the cross like to tread on people and
tread on the cross. - David Lim
47Islamic tradition explicitly prohibits any
depiction of Allah and the Prophet.
- Muslims have idolized the Quran
48Islamic tradition explicitly prohibits any
depiction of Allah and the Prophet.
- However the author of Islam is depicted in words
and worshipped in words. - The leaders of Islam are revered and worshipped
in photos and pictures.
49Hundreds of Palestinian students protest in the
West Bank city of Hebron shouting "Death to Jews
and Denmark". The most moderate Muslim will go
to the street and talk against it because this
hurts the sentiments of every Muslim - Pervez
Musharraf 13 Feb 2006
- The most moderate Muslim advocating death to
nations and people groups? - Where is the love and desire for peace?
- Where is the love for enemies and neighbours?
50Chechen strongman Ramzan Kadyrov warns that
members of Danish NGOs may be the victims of
"revenge attacks" there if Denmark does not
apologise Feb 2006
- Attacks by a people of peace?
- Victimized by a people of peace?
51The Practice of Love
- 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him(God,
Yesu) and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do
not practice the truth - 7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in
the Light, we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus(Yeshua) His Son cleanses
us from all sin. 1John1vv6,7 Holy Bible
52"I don't see how any civilised person can take
the issue of freedom of press to hurt the
feelings of such a large population of the
world," President Pervez Musharraf told visiting
journalists. - Feb 2006
- And such a large population of the world pour
scorn on freedom of the press? - Lie about Jesus Christ, and attack His Deity
publicly and privately? - Pour scorn and insult against many national
flags? - Rioted in the street and cause death and hurt
again and again? - Burnt embassies in Islamic country and issue
threat? - While wanting to differentiate groups of Muslims
would not differentiate a few reporters from a
number of countries and millions of people in the
World? - Calling Denmark and Europe Christian? Hence
declaring war and jihad against Christians and
Christian countries Worldwide? - Proclaim Islamic aggression that it will advance
into countries and cultures and rule the World? - Show no reference to the Bible to expectation
that Christians should support their course or
sympathize with them?
53The World is tolerating Anti-Christ
- v18 Children, it is the last hour and just as
you heard that antichrist is coming, even now
many antichrists have appeared from this we know
that it is the last hour. - v19 They went out from us, but they were not
really of us for if they had been of us, they
would have remained with us but they went out,
so that it would be shown that they all are not
of us. Holy Bible - 22v Who is the liar but the one who denies that
Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the
one who denies the Father and the Son.
1John2vv18-23
54How Great is Allah?
- 1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed on
us, that we would be called children of God and
such we are For this reason the world does not
know us, because it did not know Him.
1John3v1 The Holy Bible, The Word of God - No freedom of expression in Islam, so as to have
no Western Terrorism?
55Pakistani Pastor Kidnapped and Tortured
- At about 1030 a.m. on February 16,2006, Rev.
Joseph Praim was walking to his bank in Lahore,
Pakistan to pay a bill when a car stopped near
him. Islamic preachers jumped out and grabbed
him. A handkerchief was placed over his mouth and
he immediately lost consciousness. According to
VOMC sources, the pastor of the Full Gospel
Assemblies was robbed and woke up in a dark room
where he was tied up, beaten and threatened with
death.?His abductors told him, "You belong to
Christianity and your Christian brothers made
derogatory cartoons of Prophet Mohammad in
Denmark that's why we are going to kill
you."?After five days without food or water, he
was finally left on the road, tied up.?Pastor
Praim is now in hiding as he recuperates from his
captivity.
56Pakistan 2005
- On November 12 2005, over 1000 angry Muslims
destroyed various churches and other buildings
after Yousaf Masih was accused of setting fire to
a room full of Islamic books, including copies of
the Quran.?Masih was accused of blasphemy.