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Title: Plato


1
Platos (427-347 BC) View of Aesthetics from the
Republic.
  • Plato is considered to be the father of
    fiercest critic of aesthetics.
  • He is mainly concerned with the application of
    aesthetics, not offering a systematic
    understanding of it in a well-ordered society.
  • Like Xenophanes, Heraclitus, Socrates, in
    Platos earliest dialogues
  • He distrusts art, poetry, and theatre
  • Yet Plato a strong fascination with it, esp.
    poetry because of its power to arouse emotions.

2
Platos View of Aesthetics from the Republic
  • If poets are not able to clearly justify
    inspiration, not knowing how or what they
    create, they are to be suspect because poetry
    evokes powerful emotions (cf. Lysias 214a1-2).
  • Yet, when it comes to the pleasure of art, Plato
    is able to allow for internal aesthetic
    principles, such as those of form, organization,
    and coherence (Phaedrus 268-9 Republic
    4.420c-d),esp. if it will contribute to a
    well-ordered society.

3
Platos View of Aesthetics from the Republic
  • A turning point occurs in Cratylus whereby he
    focuses his questions about are on the concept of
    mimesis (whose Greek senses include imitation,
    representation, and dramatic enactment).
  • In essence, poetry, visual arts, music can be
    treated as analogous in their representational
    relation to the world. This finds further
    discussion in the Republic, books 2-3, and 10.

4
Books 2-4
  • Books 2-4 presents a critique of false harmful
    views which poets, especially Homer and other
    tragedians express, then invites an insidious act
    of psychological identification on the part of
    actor, hearer, or reader, esp. in view of
    education of the young.
  • But in doing so he constructed an aesthetic
    scheme and challenge which judges art by a 3-fold
    criteria
  • Truthfulness (he does not exclude fiction)
  • Ethical quality of content
  • Psychological benefit.
  • The point the underlying justification of art
    in life, both individually and collectively as a
    (and for) well-ordered society or city-state.

5
Books 2-4
  • Plato refuses to allow the pursuit of art to be
    self-sufficient because of its power to enter
    the soul and its ability to influence culture
    the risk is too great to the city-state.
  • Consider the following quotes

6
Books 2-4
  • Moreover, these stories Greek myths heroes,
    demons, Hades are harmful to people who hear
    them, for everyone will be ready to excuse
    himself when hes bad
  • For that reason, we must put a stop to such
    stories, lest they produce in the youth a strong
    inclination to do bad things. 3.391-392.

7
Books 2-4
  • Then whats left is how to deal with stories
    about human beings, isnt it?...
  • Because I think well say that what poets and
    prose-writers tell us about the most important
    matters concerning human beings is bad. They say
    that many unjust people are happy and many just
    ones are wretched, that injustice is profitable
    if it escapes detection, and that justice is
    anothers good but ones own loss. I think well
    prohibit these stories and order the poets to
    compose the opposite kind of poetry and tell the
    opposite kind of tales. Dont you think so?...

8
Books 2-4
  • Then well agree about what stories should be
    told about human beings only when weve
    discovered what sort of thing justice is and how
    by nature it profits the one who has it, whether
    he is believed to be just or not.
  • We should now, I think, investigate their
    style, for well then have fully investigated
    both what should be said and how it should be
    said.
  • 3.392a-c.

9
Books 2-4
  • Above all, they must guard as carefully as they
    can against any innovation in music and poetry or
    in physical training that is counter to the
    established order. And they should dread to hear
    anyone say
  • People care most for the song
  • That is newest from the singers lips.
  • Someone might praise such a saying, thinking
    that the poet meant not new songs but new ways of
    singing. Such a thing shouldnt be praised, and
    the poet shouldnt be taken to have meant it, for
    the guardians must beware of changing to a new
    form of music, since it threatens the whole
    system. As Damon says, and I am convinced, the
    musical modes are never changed without change in
    the most important of a citys laws. 4.424b-c.

10
Books 2-4
  • Arent these the reasons, Glaucon, that
    education in music and poetry is most is most
    important? First, because rhythm and harmony
    permeates the inner part of the soul more than
    anything else, affecting it most strongly and
    bringing it grace, so that if someone is properly
    educated in music and poetry, it makes him
    graceful, but if not, then the opposite. Second,
    because anyone who has been properly educated in
    music and poetry will sense it acutely when
    something has been omitted from a thing and when
    it hasnt it been finely crafted or finely made
    by nature. And since has the right distastes,
    hell praise fine things, be pleased by them,
    receive them into his soul, and being nurtured by
    them, become fine and good. Hell rightly object
    to what is shameful, hating it while hes still
    young and unable to grasp the reason, but, having
    been educated in this way, he will welcome reason
    when it comes and recognize it easily because of
    the its kinship with himself. 3.401-402.

11
Consider this commentary on this section of
Platos Republic
  • The modes and rhythms of music, and the
    guardians physical training, all aim at
    producing tough soldiers, experienced enough in
    intellectual culture not to treat the unarmed
    citizens savagely, but not so softened by sweet
    food and music as to become incapable of fighting
    the citys enemies. Education unites their
    aesthetic taste with their conscience.For Plato,
    education begins with the inculcation of good
    habitsHe may insist that drama corrupts the city
    by multiplying citizens tasks, but he seemed
    more moved by the claim that mimicry imitation
    establishes habits and nature in the mimic.

12
Consider this commentary on this section of
Platos Republic
  • Platos reader must not neglect this side of the
    pedagogical theory, for it underwrites an
    important aspect of his moral psychology.
    Perfect virtue might work from the inside out,
    with intellectual understanding of the good
    coordinating ones actions in service to the
    good, but virtue also works from the outside in,
    which is to say that copying fine habits helps to
    produce fine natures.

13
Consider this commentary on this section of
Platos Republic
  • Painting, furniture-making, architecture, and
    the other crafts can issue an either graceful or
    malformed productions (401a). The beautiful
    productions dispose a soul toward virtue-reason
    and the virtues themselves being beautiful-before
    that soul even has the capacity to follow.
  • Routledge Philosophy Guidebook to Plato and
    the Republic, 2nd edition by Nicholas Pappas
    (London Routledge, 1995), 72.

14
Book 10
  • But then in Republic 10, Plato impugns aesthetics
    with the problem of mirror making or art qua
    mimesis, the creation of mere appearances that
    fall short of even sensible reality, thus twice
    removed from transcendent truth (the plane of
    the forms). Poetry, once again, has bewitching
    power to arouse emotions that are contrary to
    virtue. Therefore, aesthetics must be placed
    under political control.

15
Book 10
  • Like a painter, he poet produces works that is
    inferior with respect to truth and that appeals
    to a part of the soul that is similarly inferior
    rather than to the best part. So we were right
    not to admit him into a city that is to be
    well-governed, for he arouses, nourishes, and
    strengthens this part of the soul and so destroys
    the rational one, in just the way that someone
    destroys the better sort of citizens when he
    strengthens the vicious ones and surrenders the
    city to them. Similarly, well say that an
    imitative poet puts a bad constitution in the
    soul of each individual by making images that are
    far removed from the truth and by gratifying the
    irrational part, which cannot distinguish the
    large and the small but believes that the same
    things are large at one time and small at another

16
Book 10
  • However, we havent yet brought about the most
    serious charge against imitation, namely, that
    with a few rare exceptions it is able to corrupt
    even decent people, for thats surely an
    altogether terrible thing.
  • An in the case of sex, anger, and all the
    desires, pleasures, and pains that we say
    accompany all our actions, poetic imitation has
    the very same effect on us. It nurtures and
    waters them and establishes them as rulers in us
    when they ought to wither and be ruled, for that
    way well become better and happier rather than
    worse and more wretched.

17
Book 10
  • .If you admit the pleasure-giving Muse, whether
    in lyric or epic poetry, pleasure and pain will
    be kings in your city instead of law or the thing
    that everyone has always believed to be best,
    namely, reason.
  • Nonetheless, if the poetry that aims at pleasure
    and imitation has any argument to bring forward
    that proves it ought to have a place in a
    well-governed city, we at least would be glad to
    admit it, for we are well aware of the charm it
    exercises.Therefore, isnt is just that such
    poetry should return from exile when it has
    successfully defended itself, whether in lyric or
    any other meter?
  • Republic X 605-607.

18
Book 10
  • After his discussion of injustice in the soul and
    the city he returns to his critique of poetry.
  • Pappas commentary states that every issue in
    Book 10 reflects back on the Republics
    psychological theory in Book 4 and on the
    vindication of a life in which reason rules in
    Books 8-9. Therefore, given the fact that Plato
    defends the life of reason, it becomes clearer
    why he now returns to his discussion on
    aesthetics.

19
Book 10
  • According to Pappas the general argument against
    poetry is evident
  • Poetry imitates appearance (595b-602c)
  • Poetry appeals to the worst parts of the soul
    (602c-606d).
  • Poetry should be banned from the good city
    (606e-608b).

20
Book 10
  • Pappas offers this insight into Book 10
  • Despite his conclusion, Platos interest lies
    not in censorship but in the new discoveries he
    has made about poetic imitation. He gives no
    argument for the steps from 2 to (3),
    considering it obvious that if he can show poetry
    to yield deleterious effects, he will have made
    the case for its abolition. (Free speech for
    views known to be harmful has no value for Plato-
    if anything, it reminds him of the licentiousness
    of democracy.). The work consists in showing
    where those effects come from. So he will first
    argue that poetry is a phantom 1, then use 1
    to expose its psychological effects 2.

21
Book 10
  • Book 10 contributes the following (595a-602c)
  • Artistic imitation is an imitation of appearance
  • Poetry imitates humans but in the ideal city it
    will imitate only the best, the most virtuous of
    them.
  • Painting, the imitation of an appearance, is a
    duplication of an object as opposed to the
    objects true nature.
  • Poetry and Paintings reveal the ignorance of
    their makers because they imitate humans or
    objects because the imitate appearance only.
  • The imitator lacks both knowledge and justified
    belief.

22
Book 10.602-607a The Arousal of Unreason
  • Book 10 contributes the following regarding the
    arousal of unreason, Pappas offers the following
    outline (pg. 183 cf. 602c-603b)
  • 1. Art imitates appearance and not reality.
  • 2. Reality is the object of knowledge, perceived
    by the rational part of the soul.
  • 3. From premise 2, appearance without reality
    appeals to a non-rational part of the soul.
  • 4. From premise 1 and premise 3, art appeals
    to the irrational in human beings.

23
Book 10
  • Poets have a tendency to imitate the souls worse
    impulses instead of its better ones (603c-605c).
  • Poetic imitation appeals to and encourages the
    irrational impulses in the soul as witnessed in
    the dramatic depictions of passions instead of
    the sobering calculating agency of reason that
    reins in those passions (604e-605a).

24
Book 10.602-607a The Arousal of Unreason
  • Imitative arts produce objects of low
    metaphysical status.
  • Aesthetic imitations are a concern for Plato
    because they seduce people away from using their
    powers of calculation unlike other objects.
    Something about the artistic image keep people
    from asking rational questions.
  • Products of artistic imitation lure the audience
    with its intoxicating enchantment. For example,
    the charm of poetry is its rhythm, meter, and
    harmony.

25
Book 10.605c-607a
  • Poetry leads it audience to privilege those parts
    of the souls that ought to be kept in a
    subservient position (605c-607a). Why?
  • Desires lack awareness of their own
    insignificance
  • Impulses that dont flow from reason will always
    make mistakes.
  • Subject desires to scrutiny, weighing each
    non-rational motivation against a philosophical
    evaluation of its worth and meaning.
  • Playwrights and actors shy away from perfect
    characters they thrive on imperfection (pg. 185).

26
Book 10
  • Pappas states
  • In his final argument, Socrates convicts the
    audience of poetry of the same perverse
    preference (605-60a) of desiring to arouse the
    emotions against the idealized character of the
    just. For whatever reason, we let ourselves
    enjoy actions, passions, jokes., and drives in a
    dramatic or fictional work that we would never
    tolerate in our private lives. Such enjoyment
    amounts to privileging non-reason over reason,
    because every appeal to the emotions is a
    seduction away from the use of reason. Emotions
    by themselves are not bad not can something like
    grief e suppressed entirely. But preferring an
    emotional response to a rational one is like
    asking the army what its leaders ought to order
    it to do. And just as too many calls for votes
    in an army would weaken its officers power, so
    too every indulgence of an irrational impulse
    leaves it stronger (606b-d cf 444c, 589c-d).
    The enjoyment of poetry leads to injustice in the
    soul (pg. 186).

27
Concluding Observations
  • At the beginning of our study poetry that is
    mimetic is to be excluded but by Book 10 all
    poetry is indeed mimetic only hymns to the gods
    and eulogies to good people Republic, 607a) are
    retained. So, except for above, he banishes
    poetry from his ideal society.
  • If poetry can satisfy philosophy by producing an
    argument that is beneficial to the community to
    the well-ordered society, then it can reclaim its
    place.

28
Concluding Observations
  • Mimetic poetry has its greatest force on the
    human psyche, appealing to the non-rational
    aspect of people. Even the individual who
    attains the Platonic ideal and is governed by the
    noble, rational, good-seeking part of the soul,
    is powerfully affective by the experience of
    myths and stories (Republic 605c).
  • We begin to value responses that appeal to our
    feelings and this will no doubt corrode our quest
    for the good in real life.
  • Mimetic art falsely pretends to be knowledge but
    is detrimental to the human mind it enchantment
    to arouse the non-rational is a huge concern
    because it displaces reason.

29
Concluding Observations
  • We begin to value responses that appeal to our
    feelings and this will no doubt corrode our quest
    for the good in real life.
  • Mimetic art falsely pretends to be knowledge but
    is detrimental to the human mind.
  • Therefore, except for hymns to the gods and
    eulogies, poetry is to be banished.

30
Appendix What is beauty?
  • Platos concept of beauty finds its greatest
    expression in the Symposium.
  • Platonic metaphysical distinction between the
    beauty of things and properties as they occur in
    the sensible world and BEAUTY ITSELF-the eternal,
    unchanging, and divine FORM of BEAUTY, accessible
    only to the intellect, not the senses (Symposium
    211d).
  • Form of Beauty is itself beautiful (211a).

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Appendix Hierarchy of Love-Objects
32
Appendix on Beauty
  • The highest form of love
  • If someone got to see the Beautiful, absolute,
    pure, unmixed, not polluted by human flesh or
    colors or any other great nonsense of
    mortalityonly then will it become possible for
    him to give birth not to images of virtue
    (because hes in touch with no images), but to
    true virtue (because he is in touch with the true
    beauty).
  • Symposium, 211e-212a.

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Appendix on Beauty
  • The result
  • While the poet makes imitations and understands
    images, the philosopher who encounters the
    eternal, pure, and immutable Beauty, is able to
    bring genuine goods into the world because he
    understands what virtue really is.
  • Christopher Janaway, Plato in Routledge
    Companion to Aesthetics, 12.

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Bibliography
  • Plato Complete Works, edited by John M. Cooper
    (Indiana Hacket Publishing, 1997).
  • Routledge Companion to Aesthetics, edited by
    Berys Gaut and Dominic McIver Lopes (London
    Routledge, 2001).
  • Routledge Philosophy Guidebook to Plato and the
    Republic, 2nd. Edition by Nickolas Pappas
    (Routledge London, 1995).
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