Title: The Invest and Earn Problem
1The Invest and Earn Problem
- Problems of this type have one or more initial
negative cash flows - followed by positive cash
flows to the end of the project - Standard Solution
- Sweep cash flow back into pot at time of decision
- Basic solution
- use NPV and required rate of return directly
- all other measurement devices are variations on
the NPV
2Evaluating Invest and Earn Problems
- NPV directly incorporates your required rate of
return and allows you to decide based on whether
0 or greater - PVR can be used but it requires more work and not
much better an indicator (this time you decide
whether its 1 or greater) - IRR is just playing with the NPV problem i value
until the NPV is zero - a lot of work if you already know your critical
rate of return.
3Variations on the Invest and Earn Problem
- The problem goes on for an indefinite length of
time - Response - the first 20 or 30 years pretty much
establish the NPV / just truncate the problem - The problem starts with a negative cash flow -
goes positive - then goes negative at the end. - Example - mine development problems are usually
like this because the land must be restored when
mining ceases
4Negative Begin and End Variations
- This case challenges what people mean by a
project rate of return because the project
obligates money that will never be used in the
profitable part of the project - Raises havoc with the IRR because part of the
investment will never be invested in the project
to obtain a return from within the project - How can a rate be internal?
5Responses to the Negative End Challenge
- Use NPV
- many companies set a required rate of return to
invest - They have many opportunities to invest and only
take those that meet the required rate - if you have all these investment opportunities
you just put your negative end money in another
project and earn your required rate until you
need it. - If you have all these opportunities NPV answer is
simple and hassle free
6The IRR Bombshell
- Cash flows times magic numbers have the form of a
polynomial - we know from math that polynomials have as many
roots as axis crossings - that means there is more than 1 interest rate
that makes the NPV zero! - From a physical standpoint because some of the
negative cash flow money grows inside the
project, and some of it grows outside its just
telling you about rates of growth inside and
outside of the project that make NPV zero - Of course that means the whole concept of
internal growth is crap
7Multiple Roots and NPV
- As long as you have plenty of opportunities to
invest at your required rate of return NPV is not
effected - Who really cares whether the money grew in the
project as long as your getting your return - Problem comes up when money or opportunities to
invest at the rate are not a dime a dozen - To make answer make sense the money outside the
project must be growing at required rate
8What if it Doesnt?
- Situation can occur often
- Many businesses have developed specialties in one
type of business or another - they are good at
handling that type of risk - They may not be able to handle risk well in other
lines of business - Money outside of project may not be able to be
locked into long term commitments - Many businesses can make 2 or 3 times more in
their field than in the general market
9The External Rate of Return
- Plan to divert some money to lower rate
investments just as you would in real life - This may allow you to have sinking funds etc.
- Because the money you grew outside the project
grows at a different rate - where and how much
you put out when does impact the answer - in general minimize the amount of cash you run
outside the investment - You remember Herby and Hanna Housings cash flow
had the foul characteristic - 40 was the right answer if they could invest
some of their savings from renting at 40
10ERR Example
- Herby and Hanna Housing Cash Flow for buying
instead of renting
Year 1 Year 2 Year 3
Year 4 Year 5
Year 6
Start
11The ERR Method
- Take all initial negative cash flows and discount
them back to time zero - Herby and Hanna Housing Example
- -3560 at time zero
- Drops directly into the pot without any discount
factor - If you have multiple negative cash flows you will
have several P/F factors to discount these back - Since the interest rate is unknown you have to
just put in the formula for now
12More ERR Method
- Look at your opportunities for short term fluid
investments and select a rate of return for the
growth of money outside the project - Lets say Herby and Hanna Housing decide to put
their savings in a Money Market at 4 - All positive cash flows are discounted forward to
the end of the project at 4 rate of return.
13Discount some forward - some back
14Discounting Positive Flows Forward
15Later Negative Flows Also Discount Forward
Savings Discounted Forward at 4
Initial Investment
16ERR Problem Set Up
Future Savings and Costs Discounted forward at 4
21,482
Initial Investment
-3560
17Solving the ERR
Now discount the future pot back into the big pot
at time 0. Note this makes for a very easy IRR
problem.
Future Savings and Costs Discounted forward at 4
3560 1/((1i)73 ) 21,482
Solve for i
21,482
(1i)73 21,482/3560
Initial Investment
(1 i) 6.034(1/73)
-3560
(1 i) 1.0249
i 0.0249/month
Adapt to 1 year (1.0249)12 1.3437 or 34.37
18Teachers Attitude Problem
- Im a Mining and Mineral Resources Engineer
- Every project I do will have negative cash flows
to build and negative at the end to reclaim - I never see IRR work smoothly - so I dont like
it - IRR assumes money outside the project grows at
the same rate as money in the project - I sell mining projects because they are better
19More Bad Attitude
- I dont like ERR either
- I took all my money from the project and put it
into CDs and never invested in another project - If the company is for real it invests in certain
types of projects repeatedly - projects are not
one and onlys - ERR invested all earnings outside the project -
how stupid
20The Tweeked IRR
- Problem is that committing to the project means
committing not only money now but money in the
future - I will have to cover that future commitment by
taking some of my earnings and setting them aside
to meet that expense (probably in lower earnings
- low risk short term fluid investments) - Its kind of like a sinking fund
- Im certainly not going to set all my earnings in
21How to Tweek
Take Just Enough of Your Future Earnings to
offset the future negative cash flow
22How do I do that?
- Determine what rate you can get on secure, fluid,
short-term investments - For Hanna and Herby it was 4
- Create a temporary pot at the beginning of the
negative cash flow
23Tweeking Procedures
- Discount the future negative cash flows back into
the temporary pot at the chosen rate.
24Discounting Back
-3625.24
25Next Step
Now discount part of your positive cash flow
forward into the pot at 4 to balance the red ink.
-3625.24
26How much and when?
- Part of the project earnings are to be discounted
forward to cover the red ink - Because the rate of return on this sort of
sinking fund money is less than the project
itself we want to use as little as late as
possible - The simple approach is to use the last so many
savings flows to cover the red ink - In practice one may not want to turn in zero
earnings quarters - They spend more for a good investor smoke screen
27Ill Use the Simple Approach
I will sweep enough future earnings forward at an
available external rate to cover the future red
ink commitment.
28My New Cash Flow
Now sweep the rest of the cash back into the main
pot.
Future Negative Cash Flow is cancelled by
positive cash flows swept forward.
29The Sanitized IRR
Note that I now have a classic cash flow problem
- invest and make money there after.
I can get a regular trick free IRR on this thing.
IRR on this cash flow is 39.01
30Three Answers - 1 Problem
- Regular IRR was over 40
- but to get it - Herby had to invest his savings
at over 40 (I dont think so) - ERR was 34.37
- If Herby diverts funds into a money market to
cover the payments after he graduates he will get
39.01
31Summary of the Invest and Earn Problem
- Problem has a negative cash flow of initial
investments and then positive cash flows in the
future - Can determine if investment is worth it using
- IRR
- NPV
- PVR (PVR is really designed for something else)
32Sabotaged Invest and Earn Problems
- These problems have a negative cash flow at the
end (it costs both to get in and to get out at
the end) - IRR becomes meaningless because some of the money
will not grow in the project - The numbers from the IRR may do funny things
(with no guarantee it will be obvious) - The IRR will be Sabotaged
- The NPV may or may not be.
33How do I know what rates are Sabotaged?
- If doing an IRR - your sabotaged so forget it
- If doing an NPV
- Look at your required rate of return (its the i
value you use in your magic numbers) - How many opportunities does your company have to
get this rate? - Very few - Your sabotaged
- A lot - Maybe your ok
34Continuing Exercise
- Your doing NPV and your company has many
opportunities to get the rate of return i - Do these opportunities provide regular and
reliable means for your company to come up with
the negative cash flow amounts in their
individual projects internally? - No - your NPV is sabatoged
- Yes - your ok - do a regular NPV problem solution
and forget it.
35Reasons Why You Need to Know this Stuff
- Financial planning and structure of your projects
is always one of the biggest factors in
determining their earnings potential