Title: MAJOR ISSUE: RELATION OF LAW
1MAJOR ISSUE RELATION OF LAW MORALITY
- Major Authorities
- Lon Fuller (Jurist)
- Oliver Wendell Holmes (Jurist)
- Robert Cooley Angel (Sociologist)
2Q WHAT IS LAW? MORALITY?
- Morality
- Basic Beliefs of a Society Re Appropriate
Behavior - Law
- The Official Rules of Society Which Are
Enforced - How Do Should They Relate to Each Other?
3OLIVER WENDELL HOLMES
- 2 Approaches to Law/Morality Connection
- POSITIVISM
- Law Is an Entity in Itself
- NATURAL LAW
- Laws ARE SHOULD BE Based on a PRE-EXISTING
Code of Morality
4NATURAL LAW
- Emphasizes Connection Between Law Morality
- Based on Pre-Existing Code of Morals
- EX 10 Commandments Koran etc.
- Is This True? How? What Circumstances?
- When Might It NOT Be True?
5POSITIVIST APPROACH TO LAW
- Law Viewed as Entity in Itself
- Apart from Morality
- Societies esp. Modern Societies Make Laws
- To Ensure Smooth Interpersonal Relations
- Among Persons Who May Not Agree on the Basic
Moral Code - Is This True? When? What Kinds of Cases?
- (Traffic Laws, Interstate Commerce, Sex, etc.)
- Max Webers View of Law in Modern Societies
6Q WHAT CONSEQUENCES FLOW FROM THIS CONTROVERSY?
- Does It Matter Which Approach We Take?
- What Happens If We Disagree Over the Basis?
- What Different Kinds of Laws Would We Have?
- EX Sex ? Drugs Alcohol ?
- EX Murder ? Stealing ?
- EX Suits Filed by ACLU, Amer. United for
Separation of Church State ? Force Removal of
Religious Symbols - EX Southern Poverty Law Center re Hate Crimes
7LON FULLEREXPANDS LAW-MORALITY ISSUE
- Fuller Former Harvard Law Professor
- 2 Moralities on Which to Base Law
- Natural Law
- Humanitys Basest Nature
8FULLER MORALITY OF DUTY
- Law Based on "Humanity's Basest Nature"
- Assumption People Will Always Have Nasty
Habits! - Law Can't (Shouldnt) Do Much About That!
- Contrast Some Things People MUST Do (Or Avoid)
- Many Issues Individual Behavior Doesn't Matter
for Society - Law Should Only Force Whats Absolutely
Necessary! - Law Should NOT Try To Force People To Be Good!
- Fuller Terms "MORALITY OF DUTY Clearly Prefers!
9FULLER MORALITY OF ASPIRATION
- Based Upon Assumption That "Nature's God" Has Set
Immutable Foundations of Morality - Law Should Be Based on This Foundation.
- Tells Everyone What S/He Ought to Do
- Law Should Aim To Force Everyone to Do It!
- Fuller Calls It "MORALITY OF ASPIRATION" E.G.,
Law Should Encourage (Force?) People to Aspire to
Be The Best They Can Be
10SUMMARY Morality of Aspiration vs. Duty
- What Behaviors Would Be Banned Under Morality of
Aspiration? - Under Morality of Duty?
- Which Is Preferable?
- Which Would Be More Enforceable?
- Is Morality of Aspiration Possible In a Modern,
Complex, Multicultural Society? - Cf. Max Weber, Lon Fuller
11APPLYING THE MORALITY OF DUTYMORRIS HAWKINS
(c. 1970S)
- The Honest Politicians Guide to Crime Control
- They Basically Accept Fullers Notion of Morality
of Duty (Though Do Not Quote Him) - As the Basis for Law
- Book Outlines How to Implement this Idea in
Modern U.S. Society
12MORRIS HAWKINS (ctd)
- Every Man Has An Inalienable Right To Go To Hell
In His Own Fashion (p. 2) - Therefore Remove Non-Essential Acts from
Criminal Law All Victimless Crimes (7) - Drunkenness (NOT Drunk Driving)
- Narcotics Drug Abuse Abortion
- Gambling Disorderly
Conduct - Sex Offenses Between Consenting Adults
- Juvenile Status Offenses
- Have a Standing Law Revision Committee
- Periodic Corrections to Delete Non-Essential Items
13MORRIS HAWKINS CONSEQUENCES
- Think About Consequences of Proposal
- Would It Be Accepted? By Whom?
- What Would People Disagree About?
- Who Would be Likely to Disagree?
14. DISAGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE WITH POSITIVIST BASIS
- Some People Likely to Disagree with the
Positivist Principle - Have a Preference for a Natural Law Approach
- Particularly Among Religious Leaders
- Also Among Very Religious People
15DISAGREEMENT WITH SPECIFIC ISSUES AS "VICTIMLESS"
- Even People Who Agree In Principle That the
Criminal Law Should Not Include Private Behavior - Might NOT Agree With One Item or Another
- EX Abortion Not Victimless (Baby as Victim)
- Gambling And Drug Abuse Victimize Families
- Considerable Disagreement Over Which Items to
Include in Law
16FEASIBILITY OF MORRIS HAWKINS
- How Likely Is It That Such a Program Would Be
Accepted? - THEY Recognize It Has Little Chance (1970s!)
- Politicians Could NOT Espouse It Unpopular
- Removal of Sanctions Support for Behavior
- Politicians LIKE the POWER Criminal Law Gives
Them! (cf. Marx, Quinney, Chambliss!)
17SUM MORRIS HAWKINS 2 AREAS OF
DISAGREEMENTWITH THEIR VIEWS
- 1. DISAGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE WITH POSITIVIST
BASIS ? PREFERENCE FOR NATURAL LAW APPROACH - 2. DISAGREEMENT WITH SPECIFIC ISSUES AS
"VICTIMLESS"
18LON FULLER HOW TO MAKE BAD LAW
- The Experience of King Rex
- Tries to Make Good Law
- 8 Successive Mistakes
- Not Unlike Mistakes Made Today in U.S.!
19FULLER BAD LAW (1,2)
- 1. AD HOC LAW - Law Based On Decisions Day To
Day, Case By Case. - No Guiding Principles On
Which Law Is Based. - 2. FAILURE TO PUBLICIZE - King Rex Then
Established A Set Of Principles - - Didn't Tell Anybody What They Were. - How
Can An Unknown Law Guide Behavior?
20FULLER BAD LAW (3,4)
- 3. RETROACTIVITY - King Rex Getting Hang Of This
- - Tells People What Law Is AFTER Deviance
- - Then Explains How They Broke The Law.
- 4. NON-INTELLIGIBLE (OBSCURE) - Finally Sets Up
Code Of Laws - - And Publicizes It
- - But Nobody Can Understand It!
21FULLER BAD LAW (5,6)
- 5. CONTRADICTORY - People Finally Find Out What
Law Means - - Discover Many Rules Contradicted Each Other.
- 6. IMPOSSIBLE TO FULFILL - Sometimes Laws Were
Impossible to Follow - EX 1 Mile Stretch of Highway, St. Louis County,
MO - Speed Limit Changed 5 Times - From 25 To
40 To 30 To 65 - - No One Could Drive Without Breaking Law.
22FULLER BAD LAW (7,8)
- 7. EXTREMELY CHANGEABLE - King Rex Changed Law a
Lot - - People Couldn't Keep Up With New Codes.
- 8. INCONGRUITY OF LAW AND ADMINISTRATION -
Didn't Always Use His Laws On Regular Basis - - Sometimes He Enforced Them- Sometimes He
Didnt - EX Irritating Problems in Many Communities
- - Law Used When Police Want To Use It
- - Ignored When Not Useful
- - EX Use of Anti-Sodomy Laws Only Against Gay
Men - - Not Against Heterosexual Married Couples
23SUMMARY OF LON FULLER
- Espouses Morality of Duty as Basis for Law
- Disagrees with Morality of Aspiration
- Believes States Should Make Law Which Is
- Based On Guiding Principles
- Will Publicized Intelligible
- Well Publicized Prior To Enforcement
- Absent Of Contradictions
- Reasonable To Fulfill Doesnt Change Much
- Is Enforced On A Regular Basis
24ROBERT COOLEY ANGEL (c. 1940)ON SOCIOLOGY OF LAW
- Sees LAW as One of a Network of Interrelating
Social Structures in a Society - Sociology Can Contribute to Legal Education
- By Understanding Milieu in which Law Operates
- Law These Units Are Interdependent
- There Are Other Means of Social Control (School,
Family, Religion, Community Opinion) - Lawyers, Police, Courts Should Recognize These
- Q Should Everything Be Enforced by Law? (Sex?)
25R.C. ANGELL (ctd)
- Socio- Legal Research is Useful Difficult
- Rules Are Difficult to Define
- Courts Vary Much in Enforcement
- Law Administration Often Vary (cf. Fuller?)
- Claims There is Little Variation in Acceptance of
Laws Sociologist Cant Study Constants - NOTE Is This True? Or Did He Simply Miss the
Variation?
26RESEARCH IN SOCIOLOGY OF LAW (Angell)
- Social Causes of Legal Rules
- Compare Law with Custom
- Analyze Rules v. Administration
- Social Effects of Legal Rules
- On the People on the Administrators
- How Knowledge of Law Is Diffused
- How Much People Know about Law
- Where They Get Their Knowledge
- Differential Use Law v. Informal Social Control
27LAURA NADER (Anthopologist)
- Law Belongs in a Social Context
- Law Is Only One Social Control Mechanism
- Law Does 2 Things
- Settles Disputes (Resolve Social Messes)
- Maintains Order
- Dispute Settlement Easier ?Maintain Order
- Laws Courts Perform Many Other Functions
- Scare Spouse Embarrass Increase City Treasury
- Important Parts of Anthro (Sociology) of Law
- Her Research Letters to Ralph Nader
28CONCLUSION WHAT SOCIOLOGY OF LAW DOES
- Analyzes Law Legal System
- From Perspective of Society
- Sees Law As a Component of Society
- Which Performs Important Social Functions
- Is Established Influenced by Founding Society
- In Turn, Has a Great Impact on the Society
- Can Have Unintended Impacts on Society
- We Will Be Examining These Issues This Term