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Title: MAJOR ISSUE: RELATION OF LAW


1
MAJOR ISSUE RELATION OF LAW MORALITY
  • Major Authorities
  • Lon Fuller (Jurist)
  • Oliver Wendell Holmes (Jurist)
  • Robert Cooley Angel (Sociologist)

2
Q WHAT IS LAW? MORALITY?
  • Morality
  • Basic Beliefs of a Society Re Appropriate
    Behavior
  • Law
  • The Official Rules of Society Which Are
    Enforced
  • How Do Should They Relate to Each Other?

3
OLIVER WENDELL HOLMES
  • 2 Approaches to Law/Morality Connection
  • POSITIVISM
  • Law Is an Entity in Itself
  • NATURAL LAW
  • Laws ARE SHOULD BE Based on a PRE-EXISTING
    Code of Morality

4
NATURAL LAW
  • Emphasizes Connection Between Law Morality
  • Based on Pre-Existing Code of Morals
  • EX 10 Commandments Koran etc.
  • Is This True? How? What Circumstances?
  • When Might It NOT Be True?

5
POSITIVIST APPROACH TO LAW
  • Law Viewed as Entity in Itself
  • Apart from Morality
  • Societies esp. Modern Societies Make Laws
  • To Ensure Smooth Interpersonal Relations
  • Among Persons Who May Not Agree on the Basic
    Moral Code
  • Is This True? When? What Kinds of Cases?
  • (Traffic Laws, Interstate Commerce, Sex, etc.)
  • Max Webers View of Law in Modern Societies

6
Q WHAT CONSEQUENCES FLOW FROM THIS CONTROVERSY?
  • Does It Matter Which Approach We Take?
  • What Happens If We Disagree Over the Basis?
  • What Different Kinds of Laws Would We Have?
  • EX Sex ? Drugs Alcohol ?
  • EX Murder ? Stealing ?
  • EX Suits Filed by ACLU, Amer. United for
    Separation of Church State ? Force Removal of
    Religious Symbols
  • EX Southern Poverty Law Center re Hate Crimes

7
LON FULLEREXPANDS LAW-MORALITY ISSUE
  • Fuller Former Harvard Law Professor
  • 2 Moralities on Which to Base Law
  • Natural Law
  • Humanitys Basest Nature

8
FULLER MORALITY OF DUTY
  • Law Based on "Humanity's Basest Nature"
  • Assumption People Will Always Have Nasty
    Habits!
  • Law Can't (Shouldnt) Do Much About That!
  • Contrast Some Things People MUST Do (Or Avoid)
  • Many Issues Individual Behavior Doesn't Matter
    for Society
  • Law Should Only Force Whats Absolutely
    Necessary!
  • Law Should NOT Try To Force People To Be Good!
  • Fuller Terms "MORALITY OF DUTY Clearly Prefers!

9
FULLER MORALITY OF ASPIRATION
  • Based Upon Assumption That "Nature's God" Has Set
    Immutable Foundations of Morality
  • Law Should Be Based on This Foundation.
  • Tells Everyone What S/He Ought to Do
  • Law Should Aim To Force Everyone to Do It!
  • Fuller Calls It "MORALITY OF ASPIRATION" E.G.,
    Law Should Encourage (Force?) People to Aspire to
    Be The Best They Can Be

10
SUMMARY Morality of Aspiration vs. Duty
  • What Behaviors Would Be Banned Under Morality of
    Aspiration?
  • Under Morality of Duty?
  • Which Is Preferable?
  • Which Would Be More Enforceable?
  • Is Morality of Aspiration Possible In a Modern,
    Complex, Multicultural Society?
  • Cf. Max Weber, Lon Fuller

11
APPLYING THE MORALITY OF DUTYMORRIS HAWKINS
(c. 1970S)
  • The Honest Politicians Guide to Crime Control
  • They Basically Accept Fullers Notion of Morality
    of Duty (Though Do Not Quote Him)
  • As the Basis for Law
  • Book Outlines How to Implement this Idea in
    Modern U.S. Society

12
MORRIS HAWKINS (ctd)
  • Every Man Has An Inalienable Right To Go To Hell
    In His Own Fashion (p. 2)
  • Therefore Remove Non-Essential Acts from
    Criminal Law All Victimless Crimes (7)
  • Drunkenness (NOT Drunk Driving)
  • Narcotics Drug Abuse Abortion
  • Gambling Disorderly
    Conduct
  • Sex Offenses Between Consenting Adults
  • Juvenile Status Offenses
  • Have a Standing Law Revision Committee
  • Periodic Corrections to Delete Non-Essential Items

13
MORRIS HAWKINS CONSEQUENCES
  • Think About Consequences of Proposal
  • Would It Be Accepted? By Whom?
  • What Would People Disagree About?
  • Who Would be Likely to Disagree?

14
. DISAGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE WITH POSITIVIST BASIS
  • Some People Likely to Disagree with the
    Positivist Principle
  • Have a Preference for a Natural Law Approach
  • Particularly Among Religious Leaders
  • Also Among Very Religious People

15
DISAGREEMENT WITH SPECIFIC ISSUES AS "VICTIMLESS"
  • Even People Who Agree In Principle That the
    Criminal Law Should Not Include Private Behavior
  • Might NOT Agree With One Item or Another
  • EX Abortion Not Victimless (Baby as Victim)
  • Gambling And Drug Abuse Victimize Families
  • Considerable Disagreement Over Which Items to
    Include in Law

16
FEASIBILITY OF MORRIS HAWKINS
  • How Likely Is It That Such a Program Would Be
    Accepted?
  • THEY Recognize It Has Little Chance (1970s!)
  • Politicians Could NOT Espouse It Unpopular
  • Removal of Sanctions Support for Behavior
  • Politicians LIKE the POWER Criminal Law Gives
    Them! (cf. Marx, Quinney, Chambliss!)

17
SUM MORRIS HAWKINS 2 AREAS OF
DISAGREEMENTWITH THEIR VIEWS
  • 1. DISAGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE WITH POSITIVIST
    BASIS ? PREFERENCE FOR NATURAL LAW APPROACH
  • 2. DISAGREEMENT WITH SPECIFIC ISSUES AS
    "VICTIMLESS"

18
LON FULLER HOW TO MAKE BAD LAW
  • The Experience of King Rex
  • Tries to Make Good Law
  • 8 Successive Mistakes
  • Not Unlike Mistakes Made Today in U.S.!

19
FULLER BAD LAW (1,2)
  • 1. AD HOC LAW - Law Based On Decisions Day To
    Day, Case By Case. - No Guiding Principles On
    Which Law Is Based.
  • 2. FAILURE TO PUBLICIZE - King Rex Then
    Established A Set Of Principles
  • - Didn't Tell Anybody What They Were. - How
    Can An Unknown Law Guide Behavior?

20
FULLER BAD LAW (3,4)
  • 3. RETROACTIVITY - King Rex Getting Hang Of This
  • - Tells People What Law Is AFTER Deviance
  • - Then Explains How They Broke The Law.
  • 4. NON-INTELLIGIBLE (OBSCURE) - Finally Sets Up
    Code Of Laws
  • - And Publicizes It
  • - But Nobody Can Understand It!

21
FULLER BAD LAW (5,6)
  • 5. CONTRADICTORY - People Finally Find Out What
    Law Means
  • - Discover Many Rules Contradicted Each Other.
  • 6. IMPOSSIBLE TO FULFILL - Sometimes Laws Were
    Impossible to Follow
  • EX 1 Mile Stretch of Highway, St. Louis County,
    MO - Speed Limit Changed 5 Times - From 25 To
    40 To 30 To 65
  • - No One Could Drive Without Breaking Law.

22
FULLER BAD LAW (7,8)
  • 7. EXTREMELY CHANGEABLE - King Rex Changed Law a
    Lot
  • - People Couldn't Keep Up With New Codes.
  • 8. INCONGRUITY OF LAW AND ADMINISTRATION -
    Didn't Always Use His Laws On Regular Basis
  • - Sometimes He Enforced Them- Sometimes He
    Didnt
  • EX Irritating Problems in Many Communities
  • - Law Used When Police Want To Use It
  • - Ignored When Not Useful
  • - EX Use of Anti-Sodomy Laws Only Against Gay
    Men
  • - Not Against Heterosexual Married Couples

23
SUMMARY OF LON FULLER
  • Espouses Morality of Duty as Basis for Law
  • Disagrees with Morality of Aspiration
  • Believes States Should Make Law Which Is
  • Based On Guiding Principles
  • Will Publicized Intelligible
  • Well Publicized Prior To Enforcement
  • Absent Of Contradictions
  • Reasonable To Fulfill Doesnt Change Much
  • Is Enforced On A Regular Basis

24
ROBERT COOLEY ANGEL (c. 1940)ON SOCIOLOGY OF LAW
  • Sees LAW as One of a Network of Interrelating
    Social Structures in a Society
  • Sociology Can Contribute to Legal Education
  • By Understanding Milieu in which Law Operates
  • Law These Units Are Interdependent
  • There Are Other Means of Social Control (School,
    Family, Religion, Community Opinion)
  • Lawyers, Police, Courts Should Recognize These
  • Q Should Everything Be Enforced by Law? (Sex?)

25
R.C. ANGELL (ctd)
  • Socio- Legal Research is Useful Difficult
  • Rules Are Difficult to Define
  • Courts Vary Much in Enforcement
  • Law Administration Often Vary (cf. Fuller?)
  • Claims There is Little Variation in Acceptance of
    Laws Sociologist Cant Study Constants
  • NOTE Is This True? Or Did He Simply Miss the
    Variation?

26
RESEARCH IN SOCIOLOGY OF LAW (Angell)
  • Social Causes of Legal Rules
  • Compare Law with Custom
  • Analyze Rules v. Administration
  • Social Effects of Legal Rules
  • On the People on the Administrators
  • How Knowledge of Law Is Diffused
  • How Much People Know about Law
  • Where They Get Their Knowledge
  • Differential Use Law v. Informal Social Control

27
LAURA NADER (Anthopologist)
  • Law Belongs in a Social Context
  • Law Is Only One Social Control Mechanism
  • Law Does 2 Things
  • Settles Disputes (Resolve Social Messes)
  • Maintains Order
  • Dispute Settlement Easier ?Maintain Order
  • Laws Courts Perform Many Other Functions
  • Scare Spouse Embarrass Increase City Treasury
  • Important Parts of Anthro (Sociology) of Law
  • Her Research Letters to Ralph Nader

28
CONCLUSION WHAT SOCIOLOGY OF LAW DOES
  • Analyzes Law Legal System
  • From Perspective of Society
  • Sees Law As a Component of Society
  • Which Performs Important Social Functions
  • Is Established Influenced by Founding Society
  • In Turn, Has a Great Impact on the Society
  • Can Have Unintended Impacts on Society
  • We Will Be Examining These Issues This Term
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