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Title: Robert Smiley, PhD


1
2004 WINE INDUSTRY SURVEY RESULTS RESURGENCE
FROM A TOUGH MARKET
Robert Smiley, PhD Professor of Management Dean
Emeritus Director of Wine Industry Programs
2
CEO INTERVIEW PARTICIPANTS
Thomas Klein Rodney Strong Vineyards Randall
Lange Lange Twins, Inc. John Ledbetter Vino
Farms, Inc. Jerry Lohr J. Lohr Winery Erle
Martin Niebaum-Coppola Estate Winery Charles
Merinoff Charmer Industries, Inc. Peter Mondavi
Charles Krug Winery Jon Moramarco Franciscan
Estates William Newlands Allied Domecq Wines,
USA Jeffrey ONeil Golden State Vintners Chuck
Palombini Kobrand Corporation Don Sebastiani Don
Sebastiani Sons Thomas Selfridge Chalone Wine
Group Tom Shelton Joseph Phelps Vineyard Bob
Trinchero Trinchero Family Estates Philip Wente
Wente Vineyard
Ted Baesler St. Michelle Wine Estates Andrew
Beckstoffer Beckstoffer Vineyards Patty Bogle
Bogle Vineyards Thomas P. Burnett Southcorp
Wines, USA Jack Cakebread Cakebread Cellars Ray
Chadwick Diageo Chateau Estates Wine Joseph
Ciatti Joseph Ciatti Co. Mary Ann
Cuneo Sebastiani Vineyards Gregory Evans Robert
Mondavi Winery John Giguiere Phillips
Hogue Dennis Groth Groth Vineyards Winery John
Grant Kendall-Jackson Wine Estates Gary Heck
Korbel Champagne Cellars Bruce Herman Youngs
Market/Estates Group Agustin Huneeus, Jr.
Quintessa Winery Chris Indelicato Delicato
Family Vineards John Kautz Ironstone Vineyards
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INTERVIEW QUESTIONS
  • What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
    retail market place? Do you see these pressures
    in the retail market evolving in some way? Will
    we ever return to the days of the late 1990s?
  • Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
    have been hard hit by consumers lately. Will the
    consumer ever return to the big labels?
  • What do you think will be the hottest issues over
    the next five years?
  • What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
    the last two years?

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail
market evolving in some way? Will we ever return
to the days of the late 1990s? Trends in Market
  • I see things starting to open up in the
    marketplace, and life is getting healthier. Each
    cycle, we have to work harder and we have to
    work smarter, but I actually think things are
    improving out there.
  • I think we will see wine consumption increase.
    It is the higher now than ever. I think it looks
    pretty good for the fine wine market.
  • Im seeing good demand for the 2001 vintage. I
    think we are going to discuss vintage more
    frequently and it will have a bigger impact on
    pricing than it used to, at least in the luxury
    categories.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Trends in Market
  • The supply side of the equation will
    eventually come back into some form of balance
    with demand and take pressure off of pricing.
    The other factor that will continue to reduce
    competition is that wine consumption continues
    to grow and per capita consumption continues to
    grow. The consumer demographics will persist at
    least through the year 2010 that has to do
    with the sweet spot for wine consumption between
    ages 39-55. That part of the US population will
    continue to grow both in percentage and absolute
    volume.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Trends in Market
  • Once we get through the vintage 02 wines that
    are out in the market place, and generally
    speaking Im talking about reds, Cabernet and
    Merlot, then we will move more towards a
    stabilized or equilibrium state. Beyond that I
    think we can see some restoration to a more
    sensible pricing.
  • If the economy is strong as they are predicting
    its going to be, then I think youll start to
    see some price increases modest ones, not
    excessive.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Return to the 90s
  • I dont think were ever going back to the
    golden age of the 90s. That was just
    an aberration which was great at the time. We
    probably wont even work towards a normal cycle
    which is an extremely competitive wine industry .
    . . I think generally the wine industry is
    always going be in an oversupply position, its
    just a question of the amount of oversupply and
    the ability of wine companies to stay in
    business.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Return to the 90s
  • Super-value wines are so erratic in quality
    because consumers are buying different bulk wines
    in the bottle. These wines are just not
    consistent. I dont care how good of blender you
    are, if you got a sous ear you cant make a silk
    purse out of it. I think the consumer will get
    tired of the inconsistent quality after a while
    and will probably move back up to the 6-10
    category.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Super Value Wines
  • Super-value wines are so erratic in quality
    because consumers are buying different bulk wines
    in the bottle. These wines are just not
    consistent. I dont care how good of blender you
    are, if you got a sows ear you cant make a
    silk purse out of it. I think the consumer will
    get tired of the inconsistent quality after a
    while and will probably move back up to the 6-10
    category.
  • Retailers in California are no longer looking for
    10 cases of super value wine on the floor for
    1.99 or 2.99. They just dont make any money on
    their shelf space. I think they have sorted that
    out. The consumers also took a lot of that wine
    home and as they finish up their purchases they
    realize it didnt necessarily get better as it
    sat in their wine cellar or their garage.
    However, I think super-value wines will stick
    around as a category. It was a great move by
    Trader Joes.
  • I do not see that market super value being
    much more than just a sopper upper, a sponge if
    you will. When the market dries up it goes away
    and when it gets wet again it comes back.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see these pressures
in the retail market evolving in some way? Will
we ever return to the days of the late
1990s? Global Issues
  • I think you will see an evolving global nature to
    the wine business, in part because some of the
    brands are blurring where they are from.
    Ravenswood is an obvious example. Its now
    putting Australian Syrah into their portfolio of
    what obviously has been a California Zinfandel
    brand.
  • The long term changes that will be created by
    consolidation are bigger companies and an
    emergence and acceptance of wines from other
    countries. Hey guess what? The wines are good
    and they are not expensive. They will beat
    American companies by price and Americans will
    drink them. Before the assumption was that is if
    it is from another country, it is not going to be
    as good.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Global Issues
  • In todays environment, all the major guys are
    global. You take someone like Gallo, in 1990
    they didnt buy one bottle of imported wine.
    Today they bring wines in from all over the
    world. If they run out of something here, they
    dont need to worry because they can go
    somewhere else and push another label. So, our
    ability to raise prices because we were running
    out of grapes, is over.
  • When we look at the global paradigm for the
    grape and wine supply, we think that these peaks
    and valleys will be smoothed over particularly
    in the 5-15 wine category. Some of the
    volatility will be taken off of the supply side
    of the equation, which will also lead to more of
    a marketing and agricultural supply driven
    industry.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels?
13
INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Will Consumers Return?
  • I think there are two questions there whether
    they are going to come back to the Mondavis and
    Beringers or coming back to the 8-10 bottles of
    wine. Yes theyll come back to the 8-10 bottle
    of wine, depending on how much money they have.
    But are they going to come back to the Mondavi
    and Beringer? I dont think so. I think there is
    so much competition out there that most wine
    drinkers are not loyal. They love to experiment
    and now theyre in love with Australia.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Will Consumers Return?
  • I think they are coming back. I think they
    are coming back a bit right now. I think there is
    a lot of experimentation that went on and I
    think those established producers are doing a
    better and better job making the wine. They
    probably adjusted their prices a bit so they
    become more competitive in terms of quality and
    price. I think people go through an
    experimentation phase, and theyll come back and
    try what they liked before. I dont think its a
    permanent departure or permanent exit.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Will Consumers Return?
  • Ultimately the consumers are going to want to
    move up in terms of quality, so I would expect
    them to come back.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Market Segment Redefined
  • In 2005 Two Buck Chuck will go away and wont
    be driving domestic prices down. They will have
    to raise their prices. The guy who is at 8-9
    who has been forced to head for 6, wont have
    the Two Buck Chuck pressure coming at them. As
    far as the imports go, we will go over 26 in
    imports and we may be looking at 30-35 imports.
  • Parts of the industry have restructured to
    effectively get on the playing field with the
    Australians. So because of those factors, I
    think the category has redefined itself on a
    somewhat structural basis from 7 to 6 or
    perhaps even 5 for the same level of quality
    that well have to continue to provide.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Consumers
  • I think the producers at all prices are
    looking for differentiation and I think that the
    generalized brands are not as powerful as they
    have been in the past.
  • RS Why is that?
  • Its a difficult question. I think the answer
    lies in comfort with choosing wines which are not
    mainstream brands.
  • RS So you think the consumer is getting more
    confident in their ability to venture out?
  • Yes, and certainly much more adventuresome. They
    have learned that its quite OK to buy wines that
    dont sound very familiar and that come from
    origins that theyre not as familiar with as
    California.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Consumers
  • Its a hell of a lot easier to grow a brand
    when it doesnt have full distribution and youre
    not getting all your promotional opportunities.
    Its a lot tougher then because what youre doing
    is competing for the consumers share of mind
    every time theyre shopping and youre not
    getting the easy wins for growth.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Consumers
  • The consumer who traded down for some of these
    lower varieties in a period where grapes were in
    surplus found some genuinely palatable wines in
    that category. So I think in the consumers
    mind, there has been a discount in what they
    perceive as the value proposition for what they
    are willing to pay. Where a consumer may have
    said I think 7 is a fair price for a decent
    bottle of wine, now theyve been trained to think
    about that same proposition in terms of 4 or
    5. It will take some time and effort to reengage
    or retrain that consumer to move them back up,
    and I think it will take some marketing.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years?
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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Disease
  • I think genetically modified will become a
    bigger issue because as we look at the problems
    of Pierces disease, were going to realize that
    we ultimately are going to have to get to
    genetically modified plant material and if we
    start passing laws like they did in Mendocino
    its gonna cause real problems.
  • Im scared to death of Mealy Bug and I am scared
    to death of Pierces Disease, I think we feel
    that we have managed these issues, but I dont
    think we have. I am certain that they will come
    back in a way that could be very troubling and
    difficult for our industry.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Environmental
  • Air and water quality. These are new,
    especially in the northern interior, and thats
    just the beginning with air quality, the
    northern interior is just the beginning.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Cycles
  • Well itll probably be grape shortage, rising
    prices, international competition and some new
    thing weve never thought of or heard of yet.
  • I think youve got to look at the New Zealand
    phenomenon. Heres a country that got popular,
    that got hot. What happens? They just go out
    plant . . .They go bananas with it. Now theyve
    got all this production, and that affects the
    marketplace. Thats going to happen in other
    places too. South Africa, thatll probably
    happen.
  • Systemic change in fighting varietal
    segmentation in this marketplace. It has
    migrated offshore, it has been taken over by
    the international players and thats going to
    have a profound affect on some of the guys who
    were historically our major companies.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Consumers
  • How do we influence the Millennium Generation?
    To some extent, the wine business just steals
    customers from each other. From a selfish
    standpoint, Id love to see is some of the big
    boys start a little advertising war.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Packaging
  • Specifically, I think we are going to see a
    tremendous shift away from the cork into corkless
    closures. Whether thats Stelvin, whether
    thats going to be more premium bag in the box,
    whether thats going to be more wine in cans, or
    whether thats going to be things that we havent
    even thought of, I do think that corkless
    closures will be a bigger part of how we market
    wine. I think we are going to be pleasantly
    surprised at the tremendous consumer acceptance.
    The people who are the hardest to convince that
    we need to change will be the people in the
    industry, not the consumers.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Packaging
  • RS Among the alternatives, you did not
    mention synthetic cork. Was that just an
    accidental omission?
  • Its not accidental, you still need an apparatus
    to get the cork out of the bottle. And to me,
    that the big difference.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Distribution Changes
  • The 3-tier system will give way.
  • There will be 2 or 3 really dominant
    distributors around the country, and the rest of
    it is just chicken feed in the scheme of things.
  • We may see a return to thinking about
    authorized dealers for certain wines if the
    regulatory landscape would permit it, and then
    sort of a hybrid system of clubs and authorized
    dealers that are exclusive.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Costs
  • CA is far and away the most expensive place to
    do business. The cost of insurance is going up,
    the cost of healthcare is going up, and it is
    exacerbated in CA, but it is a problem in
    America. It is bad enough to compete with other
    states, but competing with other countries that
    run under completely different systems and costs
    is really scary.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Protect the Market
  • Challenge the government to say All right,
    this is what were going to produce domestically
    and we want to limit imports to the same
    amount. Somewhere along the line people have to
    realize that America is the dumping ground for
    the world, were the people with the most money,
    so when theres a 2 million case oversupply in
    Australia realize its coming here. When theres
    a 10 million case oversupply in Argentina you
    know its coming here.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years?
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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Quality
  • Weve gone back to the basics. Were looking
    at packaging, pricing, promotion, where were
    spending our marketing money, and improving the
    quality of our wine. Weve been really rigorous
    on the quality front. In the late 90s you
    acquired growers just because they had grapes and
    now were being very selective about who were
    going to buy from because weve got to be able to
    identify the quality in that bottle more now
    than ever before.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Quality
  • We are investing in vastly improved facilities
    and we are investing a lot of money for
    relatively small incremental increases for
    advances in quality. Because we believe that the
    difference between a luxury wine and a super
    premium wine or a premium wine is sort a like a
    sprinter or a short swimming race. Everybody
    finishes within a tenth of a second, but its
    going to be that very small difference that
    makes a lot of difference in terms of the images
    and perception of the wine.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Factors for Success
  • The people that are growing are negotiants and
    mid-sized wineries. They are still leading
    the pack. The John Kautzs, the Bogles.
  • RS Is that because they are more flexible?
  • Because they are flexible, focused, and
    creative and that still means something.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Factors for Success
  • I think its going to be increasingly hard to
    make money in those lower price ranges.
    Strategically we are working towards higher
    price points. Were doing it in two ways ways
    making good brands, tiering them up, and slowing
    the growth down on lower-priced brands in order
    to support higher price points.

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Processes
  • One of them is moving towards the ability to
    deliver large private label programs thats one
    strategic change. Two, is the proliferation of
    non-traditional packaging. Three, weve changed
    our grape purchases to have a portfolio of grape
    buying strategy, of growing so many grapes,
    buying so many long term and buying so many
    spot.
  • More Mechanized pre-pruning with some kind of
    hand follow-up

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INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Asset Intensity
  • To find approaches to the business that
    involve lower asset intensity both from the
    standpoint of inventory and fixed capital. The
    Australians have been effective at reducing their
    inventory cycle times which you know allows you,
    even with lower product margins, to still earn
    the same return if you have fewer assets. So I
    think creative ways to look at asset intensity
    will be important for companies that want to
    grow, because the cost of growing the business
    under the traditional asset model could be
    rather expensive. More flexibility and lighter
    asset load is part of the new strategic
    environment.

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INDUSTRY TRENDS MAIL SURVEY350 PARTICIPANTS
38
INDUSTRY RESPONDENTS BY PROFESSION
350 Participants
Industry Trends Survey, Q1
39
RED VARIETALS THAT WILL HAVE VERY STRONG SALES
OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS
Industry Trends Survey Q10
40
WHITE VARIETALS THAT WILL HAVE VERY STRONG SALES
OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS
Industry Trends Survey Q10
41
HOW THE CONSUMER HAS CHANGED SINCE 2003
Industry Trends SurveyQ9
42
REASON FOR SUCCESS AMONG HOT BRANDS WITH DOUBLE
DIGIT GROWTH
Industry Trends Survey, Q6
43
INDUSTRY PROFITABILITY OUTLOOK OVER THE NEXT TWO
YEARS
Industry Trends Survey, Q2
44
BEST STRATEGIES FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE
CYCLE UPSWING
Industry Trends Survey Q6
45
STRENGTH OF SALES GROWTH POTENTIAL OVER NEXT
THREE YEARS
Industry Trends Survey Q10
46
WINERY MAIL SURVEY80 PARTICIPANTS
47
RESPONDENTS BY AREA
80 Participants
Winery Survey, Q1
48
SURPLUS/DEFICIT FOR RED WINES
Winery Survey, Q1
49
SURPLUS/DEFICIT FOR WHITE WINES
Winery Survey, Q5
50
EXPECTED AVERAGE CASE SALES FOR RED WINES 2004
2007
Winery Survey, Q6
51
PROPORTION OF WINERIES THAT PLAN TO INTRODUCE NEW
PRODUCTS IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS BY CASES PRODUCED
Winery Survey, Q8
52
NEW PRODUCTS THAT WILL BE INTRODUCEDIN THE NEXT
12 MONTHS
Winery Survey, Q8
53
PROFITABILITY IN 2003 NORTH COAST RESPONDENTS
Winery Survey, Q10
54
VINEYARD MAIL SURVEY80 PARTICIPANTS
55
RESPONDENTS BY AREA
80 Participants
Vineyard Survey, Q1
56
GRAPE CONTRACTS RENEGOTIATED IN THE PAST TWO
YEARS-REASONS
TOTAL 45
Vineyard Survey, Q6
57
AVERAGE PERCENT OF GRAPES RESPONDENTS BELIEVE
WILL BE SOLD ON THE SPOT MARKET
Vineyard Survey, Q4
58
GRAPE CONTRACTS RENEGOTIATED IN THE PAST TWO
YEARS
Vineyard Survey, Q10
59
DISTRIBUTOR MAIL SURVEY21 PARTICIPANTS
60
COMPANIES REPRESENTED
21 PARTICIPANTS
Distributor Survey, Q1
61
MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS IN DECISION TO CARRY A
NEW WINE
Distributor Survey, Q4
62
CONCEPTS/INNOVATIONS THAT WILL MAKE WINE MORE
APPROACHABLE
Distributor Survey, Q7
63
RETAIL RESTAURANT MAIL SURVEY20 PARTICIPANTS
64
TYPES OF RETAILERS
20 PARTICIPANTS
Retail Restaurant Survey, Q1
65
CHANGES MADE TO BUSINESS IN THE LAST 6 MONTHS TO
REMAIN PROFITABLE
Retail Restaurant Survey Q1
66
2004 WINE INDUSTRY SURVEY RESULTS RESURGENCE
FROM A TOUGH MARKET
Robert Smiley, PhD Professor of Management Dean
Emeritus Director of Wine Industry Programs
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