Title: Robert Smiley, PhD
12004 WINE INDUSTRY SURVEY RESULTS RESURGENCE
FROM A TOUGH MARKET
Robert Smiley, PhD Professor of Management Dean
Emeritus Director of Wine Industry Programs
2CEO INTERVIEW PARTICIPANTS
Thomas Klein Rodney Strong Vineyards Randall
Lange Lange Twins, Inc. John Ledbetter Vino
Farms, Inc. Jerry Lohr J. Lohr Winery Erle
Martin Niebaum-Coppola Estate Winery Charles
Merinoff Charmer Industries, Inc. Peter Mondavi
Charles Krug Winery Jon Moramarco Franciscan
Estates William Newlands Allied Domecq Wines,
USA Jeffrey ONeil Golden State Vintners Chuck
Palombini Kobrand Corporation Don Sebastiani Don
Sebastiani Sons Thomas Selfridge Chalone Wine
Group Tom Shelton Joseph Phelps Vineyard Bob
Trinchero Trinchero Family Estates Philip Wente
Wente Vineyard
Ted Baesler St. Michelle Wine Estates Andrew
Beckstoffer Beckstoffer Vineyards Patty Bogle
Bogle Vineyards Thomas P. Burnett Southcorp
Wines, USA Jack Cakebread Cakebread Cellars Ray
Chadwick Diageo Chateau Estates Wine Joseph
Ciatti Joseph Ciatti Co. Mary Ann
Cuneo Sebastiani Vineyards Gregory Evans Robert
Mondavi Winery John Giguiere Phillips
Hogue Dennis Groth Groth Vineyards Winery John
Grant Kendall-Jackson Wine Estates Gary Heck
Korbel Champagne Cellars Bruce Herman Youngs
Market/Estates Group Agustin Huneeus, Jr.
Quintessa Winery Chris Indelicato Delicato
Family Vineards John Kautz Ironstone Vineyards
3INTERVIEW QUESTIONS
- What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see these pressures
in the retail market evolving in some way? Will
we ever return to the days of the late 1990s? - Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately. Will the
consumer ever return to the big labels? - What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? - What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years?
4INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail
market evolving in some way? Will we ever return
to the days of the late 1990s? Trends in Market
- I see things starting to open up in the
marketplace, and life is getting healthier. Each
cycle, we have to work harder and we have to
work smarter, but I actually think things are
improving out there. - I think we will see wine consumption increase.
It is the higher now than ever. I think it looks
pretty good for the fine wine market. - Im seeing good demand for the 2001 vintage. I
think we are going to discuss vintage more
frequently and it will have a bigger impact on
pricing than it used to, at least in the luxury
categories.
5INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Trends in Market
- The supply side of the equation will
eventually come back into some form of balance
with demand and take pressure off of pricing.
The other factor that will continue to reduce
competition is that wine consumption continues
to grow and per capita consumption continues to
grow. The consumer demographics will persist at
least through the year 2010 that has to do
with the sweet spot for wine consumption between
ages 39-55. That part of the US population will
continue to grow both in percentage and absolute
volume.
6INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Trends in Market
- Once we get through the vintage 02 wines that
are out in the market place, and generally
speaking Im talking about reds, Cabernet and
Merlot, then we will move more towards a
stabilized or equilibrium state. Beyond that I
think we can see some restoration to a more
sensible pricing. - If the economy is strong as they are predicting
its going to be, then I think youll start to
see some price increases modest ones, not
excessive.
7INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Return to the 90s
- I dont think were ever going back to the
golden age of the 90s. That was just
an aberration which was great at the time. We
probably wont even work towards a normal cycle
which is an extremely competitive wine industry .
. . I think generally the wine industry is
always going be in an oversupply position, its
just a question of the amount of oversupply and
the ability of wine companies to stay in
business.
8INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Return to the 90s
- Super-value wines are so erratic in quality
because consumers are buying different bulk wines
in the bottle. These wines are just not
consistent. I dont care how good of blender you
are, if you got a sous ear you cant make a silk
purse out of it. I think the consumer will get
tired of the inconsistent quality after a while
and will probably move back up to the 6-10
category.
9INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Super Value Wines
- Super-value wines are so erratic in quality
because consumers are buying different bulk wines
in the bottle. These wines are just not
consistent. I dont care how good of blender you
are, if you got a sows ear you cant make a
silk purse out of it. I think the consumer will
get tired of the inconsistent quality after a
while and will probably move back up to the 6-10
category. - Retailers in California are no longer looking for
10 cases of super value wine on the floor for
1.99 or 2.99. They just dont make any money on
their shelf space. I think they have sorted that
out. The consumers also took a lot of that wine
home and as they finish up their purchases they
realize it didnt necessarily get better as it
sat in their wine cellar or their garage.
However, I think super-value wines will stick
around as a category. It was a great move by
Trader Joes. - I do not see that market super value being
much more than just a sopper upper, a sponge if
you will. When the market dries up it goes away
and when it gets wet again it comes back.
10INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see these pressures
in the retail market evolving in some way? Will
we ever return to the days of the late
1990s? Global Issues
- I think you will see an evolving global nature to
the wine business, in part because some of the
brands are blurring where they are from.
Ravenswood is an obvious example. Its now
putting Australian Syrah into their portfolio of
what obviously has been a California Zinfandel
brand. - The long term changes that will be created by
consolidation are bigger companies and an
emergence and acceptance of wines from other
countries. Hey guess what? The wines are good
and they are not expensive. They will beat
American companies by price and Americans will
drink them. Before the assumption was that is if
it is from another country, it is not going to be
as good.
11INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 1
What competitive pressures are you feeling in the
retail market place? Do you see the retail market
evolving in some way? Will we ever return to the
days of the late 1990s? Global Issues
- In todays environment, all the major guys are
global. You take someone like Gallo, in 1990
they didnt buy one bottle of imported wine.
Today they bring wines in from all over the
world. If they run out of something here, they
dont need to worry because they can go
somewhere else and push another label. So, our
ability to raise prices because we were running
out of grapes, is over. - When we look at the global paradigm for the
grape and wine supply, we think that these peaks
and valleys will be smoothed over particularly
in the 5-15 wine category. Some of the
volatility will be taken off of the supply side
of the equation, which will also lead to more of
a marketing and agricultural supply driven
industry.
12INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels?
13INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Will Consumers Return?
- I think there are two questions there whether
they are going to come back to the Mondavis and
Beringers or coming back to the 8-10 bottles of
wine. Yes theyll come back to the 8-10 bottle
of wine, depending on how much money they have.
But are they going to come back to the Mondavi
and Beringer? I dont think so. I think there is
so much competition out there that most wine
drinkers are not loyal. They love to experiment
and now theyre in love with Australia.
14INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Will Consumers Return?
- I think they are coming back. I think they
are coming back a bit right now. I think there is
a lot of experimentation that went on and I
think those established producers are doing a
better and better job making the wine. They
probably adjusted their prices a bit so they
become more competitive in terms of quality and
price. I think people go through an
experimentation phase, and theyll come back and
try what they liked before. I dont think its a
permanent departure or permanent exit.
15INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Will Consumers Return?
- Ultimately the consumers are going to want to
move up in terms of quality, so I would expect
them to come back.
16INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Market Segment Redefined
- In 2005 Two Buck Chuck will go away and wont
be driving domestic prices down. They will have
to raise their prices. The guy who is at 8-9
who has been forced to head for 6, wont have
the Two Buck Chuck pressure coming at them. As
far as the imports go, we will go over 26 in
imports and we may be looking at 30-35 imports. - Parts of the industry have restructured to
effectively get on the playing field with the
Australians. So because of those factors, I
think the category has redefined itself on a
somewhat structural basis from 7 to 6 or
perhaps even 5 for the same level of quality
that well have to continue to provide.
17INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Consumers
- I think the producers at all prices are
looking for differentiation and I think that the
generalized brands are not as powerful as they
have been in the past. - RS Why is that?
- Its a difficult question. I think the answer
lies in comfort with choosing wines which are not
mainstream brands. - RS So you think the consumer is getting more
confident in their ability to venture out? - Yes, and certainly much more adventuresome. They
have learned that its quite OK to buy wines that
dont sound very familiar and that come from
origins that theyre not as familiar with as
California.
18INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Consumers
- Its a hell of a lot easier to grow a brand
when it doesnt have full distribution and youre
not getting all your promotional opportunities.
Its a lot tougher then because what youre doing
is competing for the consumers share of mind
every time theyre shopping and youre not
getting the easy wins for growth.
19INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 2
Some companies like Mondavi, Beringer and Fetzer
have been hard hit by consumers lately in their
8-12 offerings. Will the consumer ever return
to the big labels? Consumers
- The consumer who traded down for some of these
lower varieties in a period where grapes were in
surplus found some genuinely palatable wines in
that category. So I think in the consumers
mind, there has been a discount in what they
perceive as the value proposition for what they
are willing to pay. Where a consumer may have
said I think 7 is a fair price for a decent
bottle of wine, now theyve been trained to think
about that same proposition in terms of 4 or
5. It will take some time and effort to reengage
or retrain that consumer to move them back up,
and I think it will take some marketing.
20INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years?
21INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Disease
- I think genetically modified will become a
bigger issue because as we look at the problems
of Pierces disease, were going to realize that
we ultimately are going to have to get to
genetically modified plant material and if we
start passing laws like they did in Mendocino
its gonna cause real problems. - Im scared to death of Mealy Bug and I am scared
to death of Pierces Disease, I think we feel
that we have managed these issues, but I dont
think we have. I am certain that they will come
back in a way that could be very troubling and
difficult for our industry.
22INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Environmental
- Air and water quality. These are new,
especially in the northern interior, and thats
just the beginning with air quality, the
northern interior is just the beginning.
23INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Cycles
- Well itll probably be grape shortage, rising
prices, international competition and some new
thing weve never thought of or heard of yet. - I think youve got to look at the New Zealand
phenomenon. Heres a country that got popular,
that got hot. What happens? They just go out
plant . . .They go bananas with it. Now theyve
got all this production, and that affects the
marketplace. Thats going to happen in other
places too. South Africa, thatll probably
happen. - Systemic change in fighting varietal
segmentation in this marketplace. It has
migrated offshore, it has been taken over by
the international players and thats going to
have a profound affect on some of the guys who
were historically our major companies.
24INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Consumers
- How do we influence the Millennium Generation?
To some extent, the wine business just steals
customers from each other. From a selfish
standpoint, Id love to see is some of the big
boys start a little advertising war.
25INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Packaging
- Specifically, I think we are going to see a
tremendous shift away from the cork into corkless
closures. Whether thats Stelvin, whether
thats going to be more premium bag in the box,
whether thats going to be more wine in cans, or
whether thats going to be things that we havent
even thought of, I do think that corkless
closures will be a bigger part of how we market
wine. I think we are going to be pleasantly
surprised at the tremendous consumer acceptance.
The people who are the hardest to convince that
we need to change will be the people in the
industry, not the consumers.
26INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Packaging
- RS Among the alternatives, you did not
mention synthetic cork. Was that just an
accidental omission? - Its not accidental, you still need an apparatus
to get the cork out of the bottle. And to me,
that the big difference.
27INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Distribution Changes
- The 3-tier system will give way.
- There will be 2 or 3 really dominant
distributors around the country, and the rest of
it is just chicken feed in the scheme of things. - We may see a return to thinking about
authorized dealers for certain wines if the
regulatory landscape would permit it, and then
sort of a hybrid system of clubs and authorized
dealers that are exclusive.
28INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Costs
- CA is far and away the most expensive place to
do business. The cost of insurance is going up,
the cost of healthcare is going up, and it is
exacerbated in CA, but it is a problem in
America. It is bad enough to compete with other
states, but competing with other countries that
run under completely different systems and costs
is really scary.
29INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 3
What do you think will be the hottest issues over
the next five years? Protect the Market
- Challenge the government to say All right,
this is what were going to produce domestically
and we want to limit imports to the same
amount. Somewhere along the line people have to
realize that America is the dumping ground for
the world, were the people with the most money,
so when theres a 2 million case oversupply in
Australia realize its coming here. When theres
a 10 million case oversupply in Argentina you
know its coming here.
30INTERVIEW EXCERPTSQUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years?
31INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Quality
- Weve gone back to the basics. Were looking
at packaging, pricing, promotion, where were
spending our marketing money, and improving the
quality of our wine. Weve been really rigorous
on the quality front. In the late 90s you
acquired growers just because they had grapes and
now were being very selective about who were
going to buy from because weve got to be able to
identify the quality in that bottle more now
than ever before.
32INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Quality
- We are investing in vastly improved facilities
and we are investing a lot of money for
relatively small incremental increases for
advances in quality. Because we believe that the
difference between a luxury wine and a super
premium wine or a premium wine is sort a like a
sprinter or a short swimming race. Everybody
finishes within a tenth of a second, but its
going to be that very small difference that
makes a lot of difference in terms of the images
and perception of the wine.
33INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Factors for Success
- The people that are growing are negotiants and
mid-sized wineries. They are still leading
the pack. The John Kautzs, the Bogles. - RS Is that because they are more flexible?
- Because they are flexible, focused, and
creative and that still means something.
34INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Factors for Success
- I think its going to be increasingly hard to
make money in those lower price ranges.
Strategically we are working towards higher
price points. Were doing it in two ways ways
making good brands, tiering them up, and slowing
the growth down on lower-priced brands in order
to support higher price points.
35INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Processes
- One of them is moving towards the ability to
deliver large private label programs thats one
strategic change. Two, is the proliferation of
non-traditional packaging. Three, weve changed
our grape purchases to have a portfolio of grape
buying strategy, of growing so many grapes,
buying so many long term and buying so many
spot. - More Mechanized pre-pruning with some kind of
hand follow-up
36INTERVIEW EXCERPTS QUESTION 4
What changes in strategy have you undertaken in
the last two years? Asset Intensity
- To find approaches to the business that
involve lower asset intensity both from the
standpoint of inventory and fixed capital. The
Australians have been effective at reducing their
inventory cycle times which you know allows you,
even with lower product margins, to still earn
the same return if you have fewer assets. So I
think creative ways to look at asset intensity
will be important for companies that want to
grow, because the cost of growing the business
under the traditional asset model could be
rather expensive. More flexibility and lighter
asset load is part of the new strategic
environment.
37INDUSTRY TRENDS MAIL SURVEY350 PARTICIPANTS
38INDUSTRY RESPONDENTS BY PROFESSION
350 Participants
Industry Trends Survey, Q1
39RED VARIETALS THAT WILL HAVE VERY STRONG SALES
OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS
Industry Trends Survey Q10
40WHITE VARIETALS THAT WILL HAVE VERY STRONG SALES
OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS
Industry Trends Survey Q10
41HOW THE CONSUMER HAS CHANGED SINCE 2003
Industry Trends SurveyQ9
42REASON FOR SUCCESS AMONG HOT BRANDS WITH DOUBLE
DIGIT GROWTH
Industry Trends Survey, Q6
43INDUSTRY PROFITABILITY OUTLOOK OVER THE NEXT TWO
YEARS
Industry Trends Survey, Q2
44BEST STRATEGIES FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE
CYCLE UPSWING
Industry Trends Survey Q6
45STRENGTH OF SALES GROWTH POTENTIAL OVER NEXT
THREE YEARS
Industry Trends Survey Q10
46WINERY MAIL SURVEY80 PARTICIPANTS
47RESPONDENTS BY AREA
80 Participants
Winery Survey, Q1
48SURPLUS/DEFICIT FOR RED WINES
Winery Survey, Q1
49SURPLUS/DEFICIT FOR WHITE WINES
Winery Survey, Q5
50EXPECTED AVERAGE CASE SALES FOR RED WINES 2004
2007
Winery Survey, Q6
51PROPORTION OF WINERIES THAT PLAN TO INTRODUCE NEW
PRODUCTS IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS BY CASES PRODUCED
Winery Survey, Q8
52NEW PRODUCTS THAT WILL BE INTRODUCEDIN THE NEXT
12 MONTHS
Winery Survey, Q8
53PROFITABILITY IN 2003 NORTH COAST RESPONDENTS
Winery Survey, Q10
54VINEYARD MAIL SURVEY80 PARTICIPANTS
55RESPONDENTS BY AREA
80 Participants
Vineyard Survey, Q1
56GRAPE CONTRACTS RENEGOTIATED IN THE PAST TWO
YEARS-REASONS
TOTAL 45
Vineyard Survey, Q6
57AVERAGE PERCENT OF GRAPES RESPONDENTS BELIEVE
WILL BE SOLD ON THE SPOT MARKET
Vineyard Survey, Q4
58GRAPE CONTRACTS RENEGOTIATED IN THE PAST TWO
YEARS
Vineyard Survey, Q10
59DISTRIBUTOR MAIL SURVEY21 PARTICIPANTS
60COMPANIES REPRESENTED
21 PARTICIPANTS
Distributor Survey, Q1
61MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS IN DECISION TO CARRY A
NEW WINE
Distributor Survey, Q4
62CONCEPTS/INNOVATIONS THAT WILL MAKE WINE MORE
APPROACHABLE
Distributor Survey, Q7
63RETAIL RESTAURANT MAIL SURVEY20 PARTICIPANTS
64TYPES OF RETAILERS
20 PARTICIPANTS
Retail Restaurant Survey, Q1
65CHANGES MADE TO BUSINESS IN THE LAST 6 MONTHS TO
REMAIN PROFITABLE
Retail Restaurant Survey Q1
662004 WINE INDUSTRY SURVEY RESULTS RESURGENCE
FROM A TOUGH MARKET
Robert Smiley, PhD Professor of Management Dean
Emeritus Director of Wine Industry Programs