Title: The Norwegian CERN activities 20062011
1The Norwegian CERN activities 2006-2011
- Manpower, current organisation (1998-2005) and
experiences - The remaining years to 2005
- The next period 2006-2011 first thoughts
- Conclusions
2The Norwegian CERN activities background
- The key to all of it the people
- The Norwegian Particle Physics and Heavy Ion
community is mainly based at Univ. of Bergen
(Groups Subatomic (8) and Theory (2), also some
activity in Applied Physics/Electronics (1)) and
Oslo (Particle Physics (5), Nuclear Physics
(22), Theory (4) and Electronics (1)). - The University Colleges in Bergen (2) and Gjøvik
(1) are involved Bergen heavily as you have
seen, Gjøvik less the two last years. - ISOLDE activities include researchers from the
the Dep. Of Chemistry in Oslo (2).
3The Norwegian CERN activities background
- Also involved
- The Institute for Informatics in Oslo is involved
(2) but less the last years. - SINTEF-Oslo likewise (independent research
centre) has been and still is involved in CERN
projects. - In Trondheim (NTNU The Norwegian University of
Science and Technology) the theory group (3) and
a group for cooling and refrigeration (1) are
involved. - We have two main student types around 50/50
sharing - instrumentation (hardware) students
- physics (covering from pattern rec. to
simulation/analysis to theory). - Currently the student situation is very good in
Bergen and satisfactory in Oslo (as you have seen
yesterday).
4The Norwegian CERN activities background
- The work is organised in four projects covering
1998-2005 ATLAS (42), ALICE (22), Particle
Physics Analysis (21) and Heavy Ion Physics
Analysis (15). - The total budget is 99 MNOK over 8 years (10.4x8
CERN-program 16 MNOK from Advanced Equipment
Program). - In reality another 7-9 MNOK has been added by
extra funding to cover ATLAS/ALICE CtoC (4.1M),
committees (2.4MNOK), technical students
(1-2MNOK,hopefully), price compensation on
salaries (1-2MNOK). - The average budget has therefore been around 13
MNOK/year. - 1/3 is allocated to LHC CORE contributions.
Student grants/Post. Docs and Engineers add up to
another 1/4. Travel, exploitation, local
infrastructure consume the rest. - Note that in the Norwegian University structure
the post.doc numbers and exploitation funding are
very small, so the project budgets must include
both.
5The Norwegian CERN activities background
- Experiences
- Long term planning and fewer larger project has
been mostly positive and has increased
communication, scientific collaboration and
flexibility - and has certainly also helped us to
renew the community (i.e replace retiring staff)
by referring to our CERN commitments (...but this
is not a completed process as you see) so we
want to keep these aspects. - Even with the flexibility we have within projects
such long terms can be limiting for new
developments/projects.
62003-2005 the remaining years of current period
- Main challenges
- 7.3 MNOK missing for ATLASALICE as Cost to
Completion. Around 4.1 MNOK found so the problem
is reduced to 3.2 MNOK. - Four main components Overruns on our own
deliverables in ATLAS/ALICE (20), Overrun on
ATLAS Common projects (40), Missing funding for
integration task (20), MO starting early (20).
- NOTUR program and GRID, very good progress the
last 2 years (refer to talks yesterday). - Technological student program was not
established in 1998 and sorely needed. Now
starting again. J.Vigen as co-ordinator. - Define and prepare the program for 2006-2011
(needs to start discussing NOW and reach maturity
by mid 2003) - For example we need to define student grant
across periods into 2006-2007 otherwise we cannot
hire from end of this year until end 2005. - We need to understand LHC start-up phase to
address missing funds and MO - The establishment of a new program from 2006 will
also help significantly to solve the remaining
problems for 2003-2005 (delay hiring slightly and
use the fact the MO costs for 2006, 2007 will be
low compared to 2008 onwards) - The main balancing act is to solve these
challenges not depleting our physics analysis and
simulation activities over the next 5 or so years.
72003-2005 the remaining years of current period
8New period/Program (2006-2011)
- The purpose is to give you a picture of the
possibilities, constraints and limitations the
program and organisation (which might turn out
quite different) will need to be worked out over
the next year. - Timeframe most likely defined by ATLAS and ALICE
MO MoU to cover 2006-2011. This is already
discussed with the Research Council. - Manpower and user community can we involve more
? - The Faculties at Bergen and Oslo, and the
institutes leaders, were involved in the planning
of the projects with us, the support from them
has helped us. - Instrumentation in Oslo naturally will take place
connected to uTECH (national u-technology program
in new common lab with SINTEF) and in Bergen also
with closer contacts to the space and applied
physics/electronics groups. - RD for LHC upgrades and TESLA of interest to
wider community, from experience we know that
these projects attract instrumentation students. - The interest in large scale computing and GRID
beneficial to us. - Technology transfer (medical imaging for
example), technical student support (more
education institutes involved) important to
handle better. - Natural to organise our CERN theory activities as
now - connected to the experimental projects (if
successful the next years).
9New period/Program (2006-2011)
- Budget constraints/history
- Norwegian CERN activities were evaluated in
1997-8, all Norwegian Physics in 2000 by an
international panel. An overall plan was made
for Norwegian Physics based on this evaluation
(2001). In two sentences - Norwegian CERN physics came out reasonably well.
- The recommendation is to keep CERN physics
research funding at least at present level (even
if no new funding to physics, keep CERN program
at present level) - Budget framework therefore from this
(modestrealistic) - 13 MNOK/year inflation corrected to 15 MNOK/year.
- I.e 15 of CERN contribution.
10New period/Program (2006-2011)
- LHC analysis The dominating activity.
- For the CORE CERN activities (ATLAS/ALICE) we can
make some estimates - 4-5 MNOK ALICE and ATLAS MO and computing.
- MO estimates are known (presented to FAs
several times, scrutinised, etc) while computing
is more uncertain. - For ATLAS the latest estimates show 25 MCHF/year
which for us would mean 1.4 MNOK/year. - 2.5 MNOK for post.doc/eng (unless Post.Doc
funding situation generally improve) - 2.5 MNOK for PhD.grant (similar comment).
- 3.0 MNOK for exploitation and travel (we need to
place 2-3 persons at CERN the first years)
reflects the level we have operated at the last
years. - If we including small upgrade projects and
outreach an additional 1 MNOK will be needed. - End naturally at 13-14 MNOK based on
extrapolation from present program. - Also clear this is a (too) high fraction of the
overall framework or that we must include more
activities than pure ATLAS/ALICE in the same
framework (see next page).
11New period/Program (2006-2011)
- Smaller projects - some with shorter timescales
- The most obvious examples are smaller physics
analysis and instrumentation activities. - These could also be included in larger projects
as mentioned on last page (as we do now). - On purpose I have not been very specific about
smaller projects outside CERN or related to CERN
at this point must be defined by the community
over the next year. - We do participate in BABAR and Brahms provide
good data for analysis students. - HERA-BDELPHIWA102NA57/WA97 similar but now
either finished or being completed by 2004.
12New period/Program (2006-2011)
- Could also be new CERN related projects (i.e
provide seed money for projects where CERN is one
but not the main partner) some examples where
Norwegian Physicists/Engineers are involved
many presently outside our community - RD for future projects for LHC upgrade or
outside LHC - could be general and cover both LHC
and for example TESLA (example RDXX proposal just
submitted where UiO (3 persons in electronics
group)/SINTEF participate). - Proposal at CERN for LHC detector upgrade RD.
Tracker RD of interest for us. - Astro-particle project in coll. with the
Norwegian Space Physics Program. - Neutrino physics
- Medical imaging projects EU-expression of
interest with SINTEF, UiO and INVENTRON
(Norwegian company with office in St.Genis) or
the CIMA-collaboration trying to involve us for a
long time (Compton Camera and PET development). - Technology Transfer projects (linked to CERN and
point above). - Computing and Grid projects (ongoing and going
well). - Extended theory networks with CERN as one out of
several partners (for a wider theory community). - The purpose would be able to exploit CERN better,
initiate projects but let them compete freely
inside other programmes in the long run. - The budget framework is hard to define but 2 MNOK
is very modest.
13New period/Program (2006-2011)
- Technical students 10 students to CERN yearly
is the goal. If we follow other countries and
cover 5 months per student this will cost around
1 MNOK. This is now being proposed, final budget
sharing to be defined. - Some general comments/observations
- With 15 MCHf tight even for the CORE LHC projects
unless the 4-5Mkr initial MO and computing costs
can be significantly reduced or partly covered
elsewhere (for computing), or Post.Docs, Ph.D
grant covered better outside. - Additional possible sources Combine with GRID,
utech, technical students support from
universities . - The organisation
- For ATLAS/ALICE long term projects preferable.
- For smaller activities there has to be room for
updated project plans. - Would be unhealthy (and too rigid), in my
opinion, to have only two large projects. - We are limited by budgets but definitely also by
manpower we cannot do too many things. - We need to continue to focus on replacing the
physicists now in their high 60-ties (peak in
age-profile shown earlier). - Some potential small project are however
introducing new Norwegian CERN user groups and
interesting for this reason in addition to their
scientific value.
14Conclusions (1)
- We have had a favourable development compared to
many of our colleagues in Norwegian Physics
even if our budgets are low compared to many of
our European colleagues at least we have a stable
situation and are allowed to think long term and
the results are relatively good in evaluations
and in terms of staff renewal. - Next period should build on this and the main
points are - Need approved framework by second half of next
year this can probably solve both the remaining
problems for 1998-2005 and the transfer period
(grants going across).
15Conclusions (2)
- Including all activities gets us to around 17-18
MNOK/year. - A budget framework of 15 MNOK we think is
defendable towards the Research Council of three
reasons - It covers a CORE CERN program (barely), It is in
line with recommendations from reviews, It is
similar in size to the current program. - One million extra should be added to this
(referring to yesterdays report). - There are two ways to get additional resources,
the Research Council agree to strengthen the CERN
exploitation or we look at programs related to
CERN where additional support can be found. - The community has not discussed the organisation
but only ATLAS/ALICE is not sufficient for
healthy Norwegian CERN activity. As a minimum we
need (my opinion) - Two wide projects over the full period for
ATLAS/ALICE completion and physics exploitation. - Smaller specific projects which can have good
scientific impact and/or increase the CERN user
community activities are limited by manpower and
funding - some limited funding must be foreseen
(in my opinion). - A technical student program.