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Title: The Norwegian CERN activities 20062011


1
The Norwegian CERN activities 2006-2011
  • Manpower, current organisation (1998-2005) and
    experiences
  • The remaining years to 2005
  • The next period 2006-2011 first thoughts
  • Conclusions

2
The Norwegian CERN activities background
  • The key to all of it the people
  • The Norwegian Particle Physics and Heavy Ion
    community is mainly based at Univ. of Bergen
    (Groups Subatomic (8) and Theory (2), also some
    activity in Applied Physics/Electronics (1)) and
    Oslo (Particle Physics (5), Nuclear Physics
    (22), Theory (4) and Electronics (1)).
  • The University Colleges in Bergen (2) and Gjøvik
    (1) are involved Bergen heavily as you have
    seen, Gjøvik less the two last years.
  • ISOLDE activities include researchers from the
    the Dep. Of Chemistry in Oslo (2).

3
The Norwegian CERN activities background
  • Also involved
  • The Institute for Informatics in Oslo is involved
    (2) but less the last years.
  • SINTEF-Oslo likewise (independent research
    centre) has been and still is involved in CERN
    projects.
  • In Trondheim (NTNU The Norwegian University of
    Science and Technology) the theory group (3) and
    a group for cooling and refrigeration (1) are
    involved.
  • We have two main student types around 50/50
    sharing
  • instrumentation (hardware) students
  • physics (covering from pattern rec. to
    simulation/analysis to theory).
  • Currently the student situation is very good in
    Bergen and satisfactory in Oslo (as you have seen
    yesterday).

4
The Norwegian CERN activities background
  • The work is organised in four projects covering
    1998-2005 ATLAS (42), ALICE (22), Particle
    Physics Analysis (21) and Heavy Ion Physics
    Analysis (15).
  • The total budget is 99 MNOK over 8 years (10.4x8
    CERN-program 16 MNOK from Advanced Equipment
    Program).
  • In reality another 7-9 MNOK has been added by
    extra funding to cover ATLAS/ALICE CtoC (4.1M),
    committees (2.4MNOK), technical students
    (1-2MNOK,hopefully), price compensation on
    salaries (1-2MNOK).
  • The average budget has therefore been around 13
    MNOK/year.
  • 1/3 is allocated to LHC CORE contributions.
    Student grants/Post. Docs and Engineers add up to
    another 1/4. Travel, exploitation, local
    infrastructure consume the rest.
  • Note that in the Norwegian University structure
    the post.doc numbers and exploitation funding are
    very small, so the project budgets must include
    both.

5
The Norwegian CERN activities background
  • Experiences
  • Long term planning and fewer larger project has
    been mostly positive and has increased
    communication, scientific collaboration and
    flexibility - and has certainly also helped us to
    renew the community (i.e replace retiring staff)
    by referring to our CERN commitments (...but this
    is not a completed process as you see) so we
    want to keep these aspects.
  • Even with the flexibility we have within projects
    such long terms can be limiting for new
    developments/projects.

6
2003-2005 the remaining years of current period
  • Main challenges
  • 7.3 MNOK missing for ATLASALICE as Cost to
    Completion. Around 4.1 MNOK found so the problem
    is reduced to 3.2 MNOK.
  • Four main components Overruns on our own
    deliverables in ATLAS/ALICE (20), Overrun on
    ATLAS Common projects (40), Missing funding for
    integration task (20), MO starting early (20).
  • NOTUR program and GRID, very good progress the
    last 2 years (refer to talks yesterday).
  • Technological student program was not
    established in 1998 and sorely needed. Now
    starting again. J.Vigen as co-ordinator.
  • Define and prepare the program for 2006-2011
    (needs to start discussing NOW and reach maturity
    by mid 2003)
  • For example we need to define student grant
    across periods into 2006-2007 otherwise we cannot
    hire from end of this year until end 2005.
  • We need to understand LHC start-up phase to
    address missing funds and MO
  • The establishment of a new program from 2006 will
    also help significantly to solve the remaining
    problems for 2003-2005 (delay hiring slightly and
    use the fact the MO costs for 2006, 2007 will be
    low compared to 2008 onwards)
  • The main balancing act is to solve these
    challenges not depleting our physics analysis and
    simulation activities over the next 5 or so years.

7
2003-2005 the remaining years of current period
8
New period/Program (2006-2011)
  • The purpose is to give you a picture of the
    possibilities, constraints and limitations the
    program and organisation (which might turn out
    quite different) will need to be worked out over
    the next year.
  • Timeframe most likely defined by ATLAS and ALICE
    MO MoU to cover 2006-2011. This is already
    discussed with the Research Council.
  • Manpower and user community can we involve more
    ?
  • The Faculties at Bergen and Oslo, and the
    institutes leaders, were involved in the planning
    of the projects with us, the support from them
    has helped us.
  • Instrumentation in Oslo naturally will take place
    connected to uTECH (national u-technology program
    in new common lab with SINTEF) and in Bergen also
    with closer contacts to the space and applied
    physics/electronics groups.
  • RD for LHC upgrades and TESLA of interest to
    wider community, from experience we know that
    these projects attract instrumentation students.
  • The interest in large scale computing and GRID
    beneficial to us.
  • Technology transfer (medical imaging for
    example), technical student support (more
    education institutes involved) important to
    handle better.
  • Natural to organise our CERN theory activities as
    now - connected to the experimental projects (if
    successful the next years).

9
New period/Program (2006-2011)
  • Budget constraints/history
  • Norwegian CERN activities were evaluated in
    1997-8, all Norwegian Physics in 2000 by an
    international panel. An overall plan was made
    for Norwegian Physics based on this evaluation
    (2001). In two sentences
  • Norwegian CERN physics came out reasonably well.
  • The recommendation is to keep CERN physics
    research funding at least at present level (even
    if no new funding to physics, keep CERN program
    at present level)
  • Budget framework therefore from this
    (modestrealistic)
  • 13 MNOK/year inflation corrected to 15 MNOK/year.
  • I.e 15 of CERN contribution.

10
New period/Program (2006-2011)
  • LHC analysis The dominating activity.
  • For the CORE CERN activities (ATLAS/ALICE) we can
    make some estimates
  • 4-5 MNOK ALICE and ATLAS MO and computing.
  • MO estimates are known (presented to FAs
    several times, scrutinised, etc) while computing
    is more uncertain.
  • For ATLAS the latest estimates show 25 MCHF/year
    which for us would mean 1.4 MNOK/year.
  • 2.5 MNOK for post.doc/eng (unless Post.Doc
    funding situation generally improve)
  • 2.5 MNOK for PhD.grant (similar comment).
  • 3.0 MNOK for exploitation and travel (we need to
    place 2-3 persons at CERN the first years)
    reflects the level we have operated at the last
    years.
  • If we including small upgrade projects and
    outreach an additional 1 MNOK will be needed.
  • End naturally at 13-14 MNOK based on
    extrapolation from present program.
  • Also clear this is a (too) high fraction of the
    overall framework or that we must include more
    activities than pure ATLAS/ALICE in the same
    framework (see next page).

11
New period/Program (2006-2011)
  • Smaller projects - some with shorter timescales
  • The most obvious examples are smaller physics
    analysis and instrumentation activities.
  • These could also be included in larger projects
    as mentioned on last page (as we do now).
  • On purpose I have not been very specific about
    smaller projects outside CERN or related to CERN
    at this point must be defined by the community
    over the next year.
  • We do participate in BABAR and Brahms provide
    good data for analysis students.
  • HERA-BDELPHIWA102NA57/WA97 similar but now
    either finished or being completed by 2004.

12
New period/Program (2006-2011)
  • Could also be new CERN related projects (i.e
    provide seed money for projects where CERN is one
    but not the main partner) some examples where
    Norwegian Physicists/Engineers are involved
    many presently outside our community
  • RD for future projects for LHC upgrade or
    outside LHC - could be general and cover both LHC
    and for example TESLA (example RDXX proposal just
    submitted where UiO (3 persons in electronics
    group)/SINTEF participate).
  • Proposal at CERN for LHC detector upgrade RD.
    Tracker RD of interest for us.
  • Astro-particle project in coll. with the
    Norwegian Space Physics Program.
  • Neutrino physics
  • Medical imaging projects EU-expression of
    interest with SINTEF, UiO and INVENTRON
    (Norwegian company with office in St.Genis) or
    the CIMA-collaboration trying to involve us for a
    long time (Compton Camera and PET development).
  • Technology Transfer projects (linked to CERN and
    point above).
  • Computing and Grid projects (ongoing and going
    well).
  • Extended theory networks with CERN as one out of
    several partners (for a wider theory community).
  • The purpose would be able to exploit CERN better,
    initiate projects but let them compete freely
    inside other programmes in the long run.
  • The budget framework is hard to define but 2 MNOK
    is very modest.

13
New period/Program (2006-2011)
  • Technical students 10 students to CERN yearly
    is the goal. If we follow other countries and
    cover 5 months per student this will cost around
    1 MNOK. This is now being proposed, final budget
    sharing to be defined.
  • Some general comments/observations
  • With 15 MCHf tight even for the CORE LHC projects
    unless the 4-5Mkr initial MO and computing costs
    can be significantly reduced or partly covered
    elsewhere (for computing), or Post.Docs, Ph.D
    grant covered better outside.
  • Additional possible sources Combine with GRID,
    utech, technical students support from
    universities .
  • The organisation
  • For ATLAS/ALICE long term projects preferable.
  • For smaller activities there has to be room for
    updated project plans.
  • Would be unhealthy (and too rigid), in my
    opinion, to have only two large projects.
  • We are limited by budgets but definitely also by
    manpower we cannot do too many things.
  • We need to continue to focus on replacing the
    physicists now in their high 60-ties (peak in
    age-profile shown earlier).
  • Some potential small project are however
    introducing new Norwegian CERN user groups and
    interesting for this reason in addition to their
    scientific value.

14
Conclusions (1)
  • We have had a favourable development compared to
    many of our colleagues in Norwegian Physics
    even if our budgets are low compared to many of
    our European colleagues at least we have a stable
    situation and are allowed to think long term and
    the results are relatively good in evaluations
    and in terms of staff renewal.
  • Next period should build on this and the main
    points are
  • Need approved framework by second half of next
    year this can probably solve both the remaining
    problems for 1998-2005 and the transfer period
    (grants going across).

15
Conclusions (2)
  • Including all activities gets us to around 17-18
    MNOK/year.
  • A budget framework of 15 MNOK we think is
    defendable towards the Research Council of three
    reasons
  • It covers a CORE CERN program (barely), It is in
    line with recommendations from reviews, It is
    similar in size to the current program.
  • One million extra should be added to this
    (referring to yesterdays report).
  • There are two ways to get additional resources,
    the Research Council agree to strengthen the CERN
    exploitation or we look at programs related to
    CERN where additional support can be found.
  • The community has not discussed the organisation
    but only ATLAS/ALICE is not sufficient for
    healthy Norwegian CERN activity. As a minimum we
    need (my opinion)
  • Two wide projects over the full period for
    ATLAS/ALICE completion and physics exploitation.
  • Smaller specific projects which can have good
    scientific impact and/or increase the CERN user
    community activities are limited by manpower and
    funding - some limited funding must be foreseen
    (in my opinion).
  • A technical student program.
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