Title: DSST ShortTerm Ensemble Planning STEP Call
1DSST Short-Term Ensemble Planning (STEP) Call 2
- RFC Presentations and Discussion
2Agenda
- Introduction (DJ)
- RFC presentations and Q/A
- AB
- AP
- CB
- CN
- MA
- MB
- NC
- NE
- NW
- Comments by other RFCs
- Discussion (All)
- Towards developing (near-) consensus operations
concept and identifying overarching needs and
issues (service, operations and science) - What next? (DJ)
3ABRFC
4Operations Concept
- I see the ABRFC using short term ensembles (STE)
as the "official" way to issue almost all of our
forecasts. That includes our 27 daily forecast,
as well as our forecasts we issue for the other
200 flood forecast points we have. Only our
long term water supply forecasts would be
different. If I had our way, I would have
implemented the STE as the "AWIPS" requirement
fulfillment long ago. 98 of our users do not
want long term ESP forecasts! - I picture that we would issue the forecasts
mainly in a graphical method, much like the
examples that this office has provided (see
below). Instead of issuing just deterministic
forecasts like we do now, I see STE as a
replacement/addition to this.
5Operations Concept (cont.)
- Another use of short-term ensemble (STE)
forecasts is by the WFOs as a basis for
triggering a river flood watch - If we got the procedures efficient enough, we
could issue our STE forecasts routinely for all
of our forecast points, not just for flood
situations. This way, with experience and
possibly local WFO procedures, the WFOs could use
the STE forecasts as the main part of the
decision process in determining when to issue
flood watches and outlooks.
6Needs and Issues
- One thing that NEEDS be to accomplished is for us
to determine or define a relationship between
probabilistic forecasts and a single
deterministic forecast. I think all STE forecasts
should also include the offices best guess of a
deterministic forecast, and this deterministic
forecast should be located near the 50
probability line. We have to define how
deterministic forecasts relate to probabilistic
forecasts before we can go any further. - Many of our users just want one forecast, i.e.
the deterministic forecast, while other more
sophisticated users will enjoy the probabilistic
forecast. Issuing a STE with both data would be
the best bet I think! - I also think that the STE info could be presented
in a text format, but the exact format could be
determined later.
7Needs and Issues (cont.)
- Operationally, I see MANY significant things that
need to be accomplished. Once you get the science
down, we need software that will produce the
graphics/text output of this data in a user
friendly manner (i.e. xsets/hydrograph creation
software). - We need training for those producing and using
these forecasts. - We need a solid verification set of data proving
that the science behind STE is reliable and
sound. I have yet to see any verification
(including that which I have done) that convinces
me that the science behind the STE is producing
reliable and accurate short term forecasts. - As far as the DA goes, I still am not convinced
it works. The little I have heard from WGRFC
users is that they were not satisfied with it. I
think we need some extensive verification of it,
and HICS/DOHS/RFCS need to be in the decision to
buy off on this. At this point, I have not seen
any convincing evidence that it works.
8Needs and Issues (cont.)
- Overall, I am excited about STE, but still am not
convinced that the science behind our current
configuration works. - I do however foresee a future where the vast
majority of forecasts issued from the ABRFC are
STE, which will allow for a great advance in the
hydrologic program.
9APRFC
10APRFC HAS ConOps
- Ability to select model(s) of choice
- Ability to evaluate 6-hour QPF for a set of
stations - Ability to apply post processing to get pcpn
range for each station - Ability to review/edit pcpn ranges
- Ability to apply Mountain Mapper functionality
to get MAPs - Ability to review/edit MAP value ranges
- Ability to repeat process for temperatures
11APRFC Hydro ConOps
- Ability to review forecast and range of MAP and
MAT values - Ability to run IFP and see resulting hydrographs
for range of inputs - Ability to adjust MAP/MAT relationships
- Ability to run post processing to get most likely
and range of hydrographs
12APRFC Summary Comments
- We think that short term ensembles have equal or
greater value than long term ensembles for our
users - We have concerns about
- the ability to quantify the uncertainty in QPF
given its significant spatial and temporal
variability and individual forecaster bias - the ability to quantify the uncertainty of the
interrelated QPF and QTF variables and the
resulting impact on the ensemble of hydrographs - the apparent conflicts of wanting control over
the output (tweaking the results) vs. maintaining
unbiased statistical ensembles
13CBRFC
14CBRFC Short-term Ensemble
Opportunity We can improve our short to medium
range esp forecasts by using numerical model
predictions in place of historical data.
15 But... We can not directly use output from a
weather model, even if it is in ensemble form.
Our conceptual model does not necessarily want to
see reality. It wants to see its own twisted
version of reality. We get that twisted version
by determining a relationship between what the
weather model predicts and what our river model
has been calibrated with. Otherwise known as
downscaling.
16Project Area 27 Segments Above Cameo, Colorado
River
All recently recalibrated and set up For ESP.
17Downscaling
- MRF Variables
- 2m air temp
- Precipitation
- 700mb Relative Humidity
- Sea Level Pressure
- 10m Vector Wind
- Total Column Precipitable Water
- Basin Scale Variables
- Mean Areal
- Temperature
- Mean Areal
- Precipitation
18In order to downscale we need several years, if
not decades of forecast data. This requires a
re-forecast process of the weather model. In
addition, for operational use, we need that
weather model output to stay consistent with the
relationships we have determined. If it is
changed to use better physics, for example, we
would then need a re-forecast data set and
determine new downscaling equations.
19Downscaling Results
MRF is colder than normal in this case.
20Input into ESP
MRF derived MAT/MAPs are attached to historical
years (ensembles) and fed to ESP.
21ESP peak flow
Smaller peaks because MRF is colder for first 14
days causes less melt.
22- Operational challenges
- Scale it may be too large for precipitation.
In general, smaller scale should be better - Availability we need commitment to use this
operationally - Re-forecast process any changes in model
physics or scale requires a re-forecast and new
downscaling equations. The good news is the
weather community is starting to see the value in
statistical correction. - Presentation we should keep these forecasts
distinct which will require new data storage and
handling techniques
23CNRFC
24CNRFC comments on short term ensemble
- Need customer buy-in, So how good are you guys
anyway? - 50 or median.need a measure of reliability that
is easily understood by users - 90 10 bounds.is the 10 exceedance number
really exceeded only 10 of the time? - A reasonable range of expected values should be
very useful to the emergency folks - Need to adequately explain how uncertainty
increases as you move into the future - Conditional uncertainty.Some storms (strong cold
front crossing the state) are much easier to
forecast that others (cut-off low just off the
coast) We should be able to modulate the
uncertainty accordingly.
25A Vision for Operational Hydrologic Short-Term
Ensemble Forecasting - Rob Hartman (AHPS Theme
Team, June 2005)
- For many years, NWS customers have benefited from
probabilistic long-range water supply forecasts
in the Western U.S. The potential benefits of
accurate short-term probabilistic flood forecasts
are very significant. This becomes obvious when
one considers the cost of local emergency
management activities. - For several years now, OHD has been working on
short-term ensemble prototypes. These efforts
have been concentrated on developing ensemble
inputs through model downscaling or simulation
based on the joint distribution of forecasts and
observations. Additional activities such as post
processing and data assimilation (DA) have been
identified. To date, however, the operational
environment for short-term ensemble based
probabilistic forecasts has not been described. - The time-line for AHPS implementation of
short-term probabilistic forecasts is such that
the forecasting environment will certainly still
involve OFS and the IFP. As such, operational
ensemble forecasts must function in this
environment. This will require several changes
to the ESP and OFS architecture. Here is a
typical scenario
26- The RFC is experiencing moderate flooding in
several watersheds. A forecast update is due out
at 03Z. Data come in after 00Z for the second
period of the day, the 5-day QPF is updated by
the HAS function. Input data are QCd and the
forecaster starts his/her IFP run to update
guidance. - The first segment is a flood forecast point. The
output includes the single-value forecast as well
as shaded regions that depict the probabilistic
forecast with user definable regions (10 EP ,
25 EP, Ensemble Mean, 75 EP, 90 EP, etc). The
output indicates that there is a 40 chance that
the river will rise to 3 feet over flood stage by
noon tomorrow (mouse tracker interpolation).
Three feet over flood stage is a critical stage
for local mitigation. But wait, the simulation
appears to be a bit screwy. Upon examination,
the forecaster sees that bad precipitation data
made it through the QC process. The MAP for the
18-00Z period needs to be increased by 50. A
MOD is made. The forecaster reruns the segment.
The ensembles are regenerated and included in the
display as before. The single-value forecast and
probabilities shift slightly. The guidance looks
reasonable. The phone rings. Its the WFO and
their local EM needs a forecast update right now.
The forecaster selects Issue guidance from the
pull-down menu and the system initiates the
process that generates and issues the
single-value and probabilistic guidance for this
location.
27- This scenario identifies several issues that are
not currently supported with OFS and ESP. These
include - 1. The notion of carryover must to be re-examined
so that ESP can be run interactively from any
point in time and for individual components of a
forecast group. Ensemble generation must become
interactive rather than a batch process.
Performance must support interactive use (rerun
small pieces in a few seconds). - 2. The ESP process must thoroughly re-examine the
notion of MODs and their impacts on short-term
ensembles. Some believe that DA and automatic
state updating is the only solution to avoid
MODs. In the midst of forecasting, this is
unrealistic. There will always be times when a
forecaster needs to drive the model to the
appropriate outcome. Thats why we have
forecasters. - 3. Statistical post-processing techniques must to
be fast and interactive. - 4. Visualization tools must to be developed
within the IFP framework to support ensemble and
probabilistic information. - 5. Ensemble and probabilistic information must be
managed to facilitate the generation of products
and guidance. - 6. OFS does not write information back to the
processed DB until the segment is exited. This
prevents product and information generation while
looking at the IFP display. - Without doubt, well find lots of other issues as
we attempt operational implementation of
short-term probabilistic forecasts. As such, it
is important to being addressing the issues and
developing an operational prototype.
28MARFC
29Shorter Term Probabilistic Forecasts
- 7-day probabilistic river forecasts
- PQPF/PQTF
- Demonstration of short-term approach
- Juniata Schuylkill Basins
- 18 points issued daily
307-Day Probabilistic River Forecasts
- Current Basin Conditions
- Short term probabilistic precipitation and
temperatures (PQPF/PQTF) - 48-hour PQPF merged with 5 days of climo
- QPF scenarios based on comparison of historic
forecast and observed MAPs - 3 graphics generated daily for 18 basins in
PA-Juniata (CTP) and Schuylkill (PHI) Basins
31WFO CTP AHPS Page
32Frankstown Br. Juniata River at Williamsburg, PA
33Difficult to Find on AHPS Web Page
347-Day Expected Value Plot
357-Day PQPF Traces
36Lessons Learned
- 7-day PQPF/PQTF forecasts are good contingency
forecasts - Describe a range of outcomes that help address
HSA questionsWhat if.. - Wide range of potential river responses is not
always pleasingdepicts difficulty in forecasting
precipitation
37Lessons Learned
- Only limited use by WFOs and cooperators (much
less than 30-day ESP forecasts) - Difficult for non-technical audience
- Software runs well and can generate graphics in a
hands-off mode - Once rain is on the ground we have considerable
modeling uncertainties not incorporated in this
method
38Lessons Learned
- Await results of OHD verification work to assess
validity of products - MARFC would like to generate probabilistic
forecasts beyond day 2 based on more than
climatology - Potential collaboration with WFO CTP and SREF
ensembles
39MBRFC
40Define User Requirements
- Have user create own on the fly if capable
- Graphics within hydrograph plot if adequate
description provided
41Vision of Operations
- Balance rivers without ensemble forecasts
- Switch on ensemble forecasting and look at rivers
again - Data assimilation used as guides to mods
- Displays of historical precip and streamflow to
compare distributions
42Concerns
- How are segments linked? Is a precip value at
one basin linked to a precip value at a basin
nearby? Is trace for one location linked to a
trace at the downstream location? - Users will think uncertainty distribution in
hydrograph is really a set of hydrographs - Recent historical QPF and MAP are limited and
have been dynamic with time
43Concerns (cont.)
- Basin boundary changes and addition of new basins
require recomputing MAPs and QPFs - Inconsistency between 14-day short term and
90-day long term - How do you handle forecast locations that are
model deficient and require manual override?
Blending of regulation modeling? - Use of mods in the future?
44Concerns (cont.)
- How can distributions be adjusted operationally?
- What can forecaster view to get some idea of
possible needed adjustments to the distribution
plots? Are ensemble data out of bounds?
45NCRFC
46Operations Concept Ideas
- Need the ability to operate and generate
forecasts at the sub-basin level (segment) - Ensemble generation and viewing should be
controlled by an option switch (on/off/default)
to allow for interaction with the model for basic
tuning before introducing complications of
ensembles (assumes integration w/ IFP)
47Operations Concept Ideas, cont.
- System needs full transparency for the forecaster
Summary views of inputs and model internals but
with the capability to drill down and view
detailed information - Essential for quality control and debugging
- Smart tools to assist in diagnosis of the
ensemble inputs, data assimilation, and results
48Operations Concept Ideas, cont.
- Probabilistic hydrograph displays should include
an overlay of historical ranges - Historical perspective of Model inputs
- Selectable MODS parameter to designate a MOD
for deterministic, ensemble or both - Drawing tool to redraw forecasts necessary for
timeliness and expediency in problem cases
49Issues and Challenges
- Hydraulic routings complicates the ability to
operate at the segment level - Model BIAS correction error model
- DA ability to trace what it did and provide
capability to undo or nudge differently - Reservoirs ensembles on autopilot can introduce
unrealistic results
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51Issues and Challenges, cont.
- Ability to use alternate model sources (inputs)
- Need to develop meaningful displays for end-users
to illustrate the model inputs (focus group
requirement) - Hand-off / Receive mechanism for upstream /
downstream RFCs
52NERFC
53NERFC Requirements
- At least 3-5 days of precip temperature data
input - Generate hydrograph ensembles out 5-7 days using
graphics that have been reviewed by customers - Generate SHEF output for selected confidence
levels (or other means of having data readily
available in AWIPS database)
54NERFC Concerns
- How do you generate 72 hours of statistical
ensemble input when normal operations never
exceed 48 hrs of QPF? - WFO Customer likes what-if contingency
scenarios that are based upon known models - Training for NWS staff needs to be included as
part of development
55NWRFC
56The Shooting Target Meteorological forcing for
the hydrologic models originates from multiple
sources. The final product is a combination of
these procedures. Sources HPC, WFO ISC/GFE
grids, HAS, the numerical model of the day. Can
the methodology be developed to determine the
uncertainty and address all the inputs to the
hydrologic model? How do we adapt these
processes to the change in science and
operational procedures?
57Scale Meteorological forcing for the hydrologic
models arrive at the RFC in many different
scales. These are then converted to a base scale
used in the hydrologic models. Can the current
data networks adequately support the proposed
level of downscaling? Will the uncertainty
results be beneficial? Do we see a universal
methodology to define the uncertainties generated
by the downscaling?
58Transitions are where the money is Defining the
uncertainties is based on understanding the
statistics between the forecast and the
observation. Are we applying the uncertainties
appropriately? Transitions or storms are where
short-term forecasts make their money. The
statistics and uncertainties during these events
tend to shift from the climatology. Can we expect
to provide a true picture of the uncertainties
during the events that are most beneficial to
short-term ensembles techniques?
59How does it work in a network How do
uncertainties translate from point to point in a
hydrologic system?
60déjà vu Short- and long-term ESP needs to
address the man made influences such as
diversions and regulations. In the NWRFC area,
over 90 of the forecast points are influenced by
reservoir regulation and diversions. ESP is
unable to work on a variable set of rules used by
water managers. How do we quantify the
uncertainty of forecaster MODS?
61- Benefits
- Hydrologic users like uncertainty information to
assess the confidence in the forecast. Is there
benefit and how is it determined? - what is the timeline of short-term ESP being
operational? - will the uncertainty represent the true
knowledge of the forecast error? - need a system to develop and keep track of the
uncertainty component to the forecast. - NWS needs the ability deliver/provide more ESP
derived information. - requires a verification and validation system.
62Products Don wants
1)
2) Similar displays or information as number 1,
but for meteorological forcings. 3) Verification
outputs which are converted to layman terms.
63End of RFC presentations