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Title: DSST ShortTerm Ensemble Planning STEP Call


1
DSST Short-Term Ensemble Planning (STEP) Call 2
  • RFC Presentations and Discussion

2
Agenda
  • Introduction (DJ)
  • RFC presentations and Q/A
  • AB
  • AP
  • CB
  • CN
  • MA
  • MB
  • NC
  • NE
  • NW
  • Comments by other RFCs
  • Discussion (All)
  • Towards developing (near-) consensus operations
    concept and identifying overarching needs and
    issues (service, operations and science)
  • What next? (DJ)

3
ABRFC
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Operations Concept
  • I see the ABRFC using short term ensembles (STE)
    as the "official" way to issue almost all of our
    forecasts. That includes our 27 daily forecast,
    as well as our forecasts we issue for the other
    200 flood forecast points we have.  Only our
    long term water supply forecasts would be
    different. If I had our way, I would have
    implemented the STE as the "AWIPS" requirement
    fulfillment long ago. 98 of our users do not
    want long term ESP forecasts!
  • I picture that we would issue the forecasts
    mainly in a graphical method, much like the
    examples that this office has provided (see
    below).   Instead of issuing just deterministic
    forecasts like we do now, I see STE as a
    replacement/addition to this. 

5
Operations Concept (cont.)
  • Another use of short-term ensemble (STE)
    forecasts is by the WFOs as a basis for
    triggering a river flood watch
  • If we got the procedures efficient enough, we
    could issue our STE forecasts routinely for all
    of our forecast points, not just for flood
    situations. This way, with experience and
    possibly local WFO procedures, the WFOs could use
    the STE forecasts as the main part of the
    decision process in determining when to issue
    flood watches and outlooks.

6
Needs and Issues
  • One thing that NEEDS be to accomplished is for us
    to determine or define a relationship between
    probabilistic forecasts and a single
    deterministic forecast. I think all STE forecasts
    should also include the offices best guess of a
    deterministic forecast, and this deterministic
    forecast should be located near the 50
    probability line. We have to define how
    deterministic forecasts relate to probabilistic
    forecasts before we can go any further.
  • Many of our users just want one forecast, i.e.
    the deterministic forecast, while other more
    sophisticated users will enjoy the probabilistic
    forecast. Issuing a STE with both data would be
    the best bet I think!
  • I also think that the STE info could be presented
    in a text format, but the exact format could be
    determined later.  

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Needs and Issues (cont.)
  • Operationally, I see MANY significant things that
    need to be accomplished. Once you get the science
    down, we need software that will produce the
    graphics/text output of this data in a user
    friendly manner (i.e. xsets/hydrograph creation
    software).
  • We need training for those producing and using
    these forecasts.
  • We need a solid verification set of data proving
    that the science behind STE is reliable and
    sound. I have yet to see any verification
    (including that which I have done) that convinces
    me that the science behind the STE is producing
    reliable and accurate short term forecasts.
  • As far as the DA goes, I still am not convinced
    it works. The little I have heard from WGRFC
    users is that they were not satisfied with it. I
    think we need some extensive verification of it,
    and HICS/DOHS/RFCS need to be in the decision to
    buy off on this. At this point, I have not seen
    any convincing evidence that it works.

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Needs and Issues (cont.)
  • Overall, I am excited about STE, but still am not
    convinced that the science behind our current
    configuration works.
  • I do however foresee a future where the vast
    majority of forecasts issued from the ABRFC are
    STE, which will allow for a great advance in the
    hydrologic program.

9
APRFC
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APRFC HAS ConOps
  • Ability to select model(s) of choice
  • Ability to evaluate 6-hour QPF for a set of
    stations
  • Ability to apply post processing to get pcpn
    range for each station
  • Ability to review/edit pcpn ranges
  • Ability to apply Mountain Mapper functionality
    to get MAPs
  • Ability to review/edit MAP value ranges
  • Ability to repeat process for temperatures

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APRFC Hydro ConOps
  • Ability to review forecast and range of MAP and
    MAT values
  • Ability to run IFP and see resulting hydrographs
    for range of inputs
  • Ability to adjust MAP/MAT relationships
  • Ability to run post processing to get most likely
    and range of hydrographs

12
APRFC Summary Comments
  • We think that short term ensembles have equal or
    greater value than long term ensembles for our
    users
  • We have concerns about
  • the ability to quantify the uncertainty in QPF
    given its significant spatial and temporal
    variability and individual forecaster bias
  • the ability to quantify the uncertainty of the
    interrelated QPF and QTF variables and the
    resulting impact on the ensemble of hydrographs
  • the apparent conflicts of wanting control over
    the output (tweaking the results) vs. maintaining
    unbiased statistical ensembles

13
CBRFC
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CBRFC Short-term Ensemble
Opportunity We can improve our short to medium
range esp forecasts by using numerical model
predictions in place of historical data.
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But... We can not directly use output from a
weather model, even if it is in ensemble form.
Our conceptual model does not necessarily want to
see reality. It wants to see its own twisted
version of reality. We get that twisted version
by determining a relationship between what the
weather model predicts and what our river model
has been calibrated with. Otherwise known as
downscaling.
16
Project Area 27 Segments Above Cameo, Colorado
River
All recently recalibrated and set up For ESP.
17
Downscaling
  • MRF Variables
  • 2m air temp
  • Precipitation
  • 700mb Relative Humidity
  • Sea Level Pressure
  • 10m Vector Wind
  • Total Column Precipitable Water
  • Basin Scale Variables
  • Mean Areal
  • Temperature
  • Mean Areal
  • Precipitation

18
In order to downscale we need several years, if
not decades of forecast data. This requires a
re-forecast process of the weather model. In
addition, for operational use, we need that
weather model output to stay consistent with the
relationships we have determined. If it is
changed to use better physics, for example, we
would then need a re-forecast data set and
determine new downscaling equations.
19
Downscaling Results
MRF is colder than normal in this case.
20
Input into ESP
MRF derived MAT/MAPs are attached to historical
years (ensembles) and fed to ESP.
21
ESP peak flow
Smaller peaks because MRF is colder for first 14
days causes less melt.
22
  • Operational challenges
  • Scale it may be too large for precipitation.
    In general, smaller scale should be better
  • Availability we need commitment to use this
    operationally
  • Re-forecast process any changes in model
    physics or scale requires a re-forecast and new
    downscaling equations. The good news is the
    weather community is starting to see the value in
    statistical correction.
  • Presentation we should keep these forecasts
    distinct which will require new data storage and
    handling techniques

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CNRFC
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CNRFC comments on short term ensemble
  • Need customer buy-in, So how good are you guys
    anyway?
  • 50 or median.need a measure of reliability that
    is easily understood by users
  • 90 10 bounds.is the 10 exceedance number
    really exceeded only 10 of the time?
  • A reasonable range of expected values should be
    very useful to the emergency folks
  • Need to adequately explain how uncertainty
    increases as you move into the future
  • Conditional uncertainty.Some storms (strong cold
    front crossing the state) are much easier to
    forecast that others (cut-off low just off the
    coast) We should be able to modulate the
    uncertainty accordingly.

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A Vision for Operational Hydrologic Short-Term
Ensemble Forecasting - Rob Hartman (AHPS Theme
Team, June 2005)
  • For many years, NWS customers have benefited from
    probabilistic long-range water supply forecasts
    in the Western U.S. The potential benefits of
    accurate short-term probabilistic flood forecasts
    are very significant. This becomes obvious when
    one considers the cost of local emergency
    management activities.
  • For several years now, OHD has been working on
    short-term ensemble prototypes. These efforts
    have been concentrated on developing ensemble
    inputs through model downscaling or simulation
    based on the joint distribution of forecasts and
    observations. Additional activities such as post
    processing and data assimilation (DA) have been
    identified. To date, however, the operational
    environment for short-term ensemble based
    probabilistic forecasts has not been described.
  • The time-line for AHPS implementation of
    short-term probabilistic forecasts is such that
    the forecasting environment will certainly still
    involve OFS and the IFP. As such, operational
    ensemble forecasts must function in this
    environment. This will require several changes
    to the ESP and OFS architecture. Here is a
    typical scenario

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  • The RFC is experiencing moderate flooding in
    several watersheds. A forecast update is due out
    at 03Z. Data come in after 00Z for the second
    period of the day, the 5-day QPF is updated by
    the HAS function. Input data are QCd and the
    forecaster starts his/her IFP run to update
    guidance.
  • The first segment is a flood forecast point. The
    output includes the single-value forecast as well
    as shaded regions that depict the probabilistic
    forecast with user definable regions (10 EP ,
    25 EP, Ensemble Mean, 75 EP, 90 EP, etc). The
    output indicates that there is a 40 chance that
    the river will rise to 3 feet over flood stage by
    noon tomorrow (mouse tracker interpolation).
    Three feet over flood stage is a critical stage
    for local mitigation. But wait, the simulation
    appears to be a bit screwy. Upon examination,
    the forecaster sees that bad precipitation data
    made it through the QC process. The MAP for the
    18-00Z period needs to be increased by 50. A
    MOD is made. The forecaster reruns the segment.
    The ensembles are regenerated and included in the
    display as before. The single-value forecast and
    probabilities shift slightly. The guidance looks
    reasonable. The phone rings. Its the WFO and
    their local EM needs a forecast update right now.
    The forecaster selects Issue guidance from the
    pull-down menu and the system initiates the
    process that generates and issues the
    single-value and probabilistic guidance for this
    location.

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  • This scenario identifies several issues that are
    not currently supported with OFS and ESP. These
    include
  • 1. The notion of carryover must to be re-examined
    so that ESP can be run interactively from any
    point in time and for individual components of a
    forecast group. Ensemble generation must become
    interactive rather than a batch process.
    Performance must support interactive use (rerun
    small pieces in a few seconds).
  • 2. The ESP process must thoroughly re-examine the
    notion of MODs and their impacts on short-term
    ensembles. Some believe that DA and automatic
    state updating is the only solution to avoid
    MODs. In the midst of forecasting, this is
    unrealistic. There will always be times when a
    forecaster needs to drive the model to the
    appropriate outcome. Thats why we have
    forecasters.
  • 3. Statistical post-processing techniques must to
    be fast and interactive.
  • 4. Visualization tools must to be developed
    within the IFP framework to support ensemble and
    probabilistic information.
  • 5. Ensemble and probabilistic information must be
    managed to facilitate the generation of products
    and guidance.
  • 6. OFS does not write information back to the
    processed DB until the segment is exited. This
    prevents product and information generation while
    looking at the IFP display.
  • Without doubt, well find lots of other issues as
    we attempt operational implementation of
    short-term probabilistic forecasts. As such, it
    is important to being addressing the issues and
    developing an operational prototype.

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MARFC
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Shorter Term Probabilistic Forecasts
  • 7-day probabilistic river forecasts
  • PQPF/PQTF
  • Demonstration of short-term approach
  • Juniata Schuylkill Basins
  • 18 points issued daily

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7-Day Probabilistic River Forecasts
  • Current Basin Conditions
  • Short term probabilistic precipitation and
    temperatures (PQPF/PQTF)
  • 48-hour PQPF merged with 5 days of climo
  • QPF scenarios based on comparison of historic
    forecast and observed MAPs
  • 3 graphics generated daily for 18 basins in
    PA-Juniata (CTP) and Schuylkill (PHI) Basins

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WFO CTP AHPS Page
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Frankstown Br. Juniata River at Williamsburg, PA
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Difficult to Find on AHPS Web Page
34
7-Day Expected Value Plot
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7-Day PQPF Traces
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Lessons Learned
  • 7-day PQPF/PQTF forecasts are good contingency
    forecasts
  • Describe a range of outcomes that help address
    HSA questionsWhat if..
  • Wide range of potential river responses is not
    always pleasingdepicts difficulty in forecasting
    precipitation

37
Lessons Learned
  • Only limited use by WFOs and cooperators (much
    less than 30-day ESP forecasts)
  • Difficult for non-technical audience
  • Software runs well and can generate graphics in a
    hands-off mode
  • Once rain is on the ground we have considerable
    modeling uncertainties not incorporated in this
    method

38
Lessons Learned
  • Await results of OHD verification work to assess
    validity of products
  • MARFC would like to generate probabilistic
    forecasts beyond day 2 based on more than
    climatology
  • Potential collaboration with WFO CTP and SREF
    ensembles

39
MBRFC
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Define User Requirements
  • Have user create own on the fly if capable
  • Graphics within hydrograph plot if adequate
    description provided

41
Vision of Operations
  • Balance rivers without ensemble forecasts
  • Switch on ensemble forecasting and look at rivers
    again
  • Data assimilation used as guides to mods
  • Displays of historical precip and streamflow to
    compare distributions

42
Concerns
  • How are segments linked? Is a precip value at
    one basin linked to a precip value at a basin
    nearby? Is trace for one location linked to a
    trace at the downstream location?
  • Users will think uncertainty distribution in
    hydrograph is really a set of hydrographs
  • Recent historical QPF and MAP are limited and
    have been dynamic with time

43
Concerns (cont.)
  • Basin boundary changes and addition of new basins
    require recomputing MAPs and QPFs
  • Inconsistency between 14-day short term and
    90-day long term
  • How do you handle forecast locations that are
    model deficient and require manual override?
    Blending of regulation modeling?
  • Use of mods in the future?

44
Concerns (cont.)
  • How can distributions be adjusted operationally?
  • What can forecaster view to get some idea of
    possible needed adjustments to the distribution
    plots? Are ensemble data out of bounds?

45
NCRFC
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Operations Concept Ideas
  • Need the ability to operate and generate
    forecasts at the sub-basin level (segment)
  • Ensemble generation and viewing should be
    controlled by an option switch (on/off/default)
    to allow for interaction with the model for basic
    tuning before introducing complications of
    ensembles (assumes integration w/ IFP)

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Operations Concept Ideas, cont.
  • System needs full transparency for the forecaster
    Summary views of inputs and model internals but
    with the capability to drill down and view
    detailed information
  • Essential for quality control and debugging
  • Smart tools to assist in diagnosis of the
    ensemble inputs, data assimilation, and results

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Operations Concept Ideas, cont.
  • Probabilistic hydrograph displays should include
    an overlay of historical ranges
  • Historical perspective of Model inputs
  • Selectable MODS parameter to designate a MOD
    for deterministic, ensemble or both
  • Drawing tool to redraw forecasts necessary for
    timeliness and expediency in problem cases

49
Issues and Challenges
  • Hydraulic routings complicates the ability to
    operate at the segment level
  • Model BIAS correction error model
  • DA ability to trace what it did and provide
    capability to undo or nudge differently
  • Reservoirs ensembles on autopilot can introduce
    unrealistic results

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Issues and Challenges, cont.
  • Ability to use alternate model sources (inputs)
  • Need to develop meaningful displays for end-users
    to illustrate the model inputs (focus group
    requirement)
  • Hand-off / Receive mechanism for upstream /
    downstream RFCs

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NERFC
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NERFC Requirements
  • At least 3-5 days of precip temperature data
    input
  • Generate hydrograph ensembles out 5-7 days using
    graphics that have been reviewed by customers
  • Generate SHEF output for selected confidence
    levels (or other means of having data readily
    available in AWIPS database)

54
NERFC Concerns
  • How do you generate 72 hours of statistical
    ensemble input when normal operations never
    exceed 48 hrs of QPF?
  • WFO Customer likes what-if contingency
    scenarios that are based upon known models
  • Training for NWS staff needs to be included as
    part of development

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NWRFC
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The Shooting Target Meteorological forcing for
the hydrologic models originates from multiple
sources. The final product is a combination of
these procedures. Sources HPC, WFO ISC/GFE
grids, HAS, the numerical model of the day. Can
the methodology be developed to determine the
uncertainty and address all the inputs to the
hydrologic model? How do we adapt these
processes to the change in science and
operational procedures?
57
Scale Meteorological forcing for the hydrologic
models arrive at the RFC in many different
scales. These are then converted to a base scale
used in the hydrologic models. Can the current
data networks adequately support the proposed
level of downscaling? Will the uncertainty
results be beneficial? Do we see a universal
methodology to define the uncertainties generated
by the downscaling?
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Transitions are where the money is Defining the
uncertainties is based on understanding the
statistics between the forecast and the
observation. Are we applying the uncertainties
appropriately? Transitions or storms are where
short-term forecasts make their money. The
statistics and uncertainties during these events
tend to shift from the climatology. Can we expect
to provide a true picture of the uncertainties
during the events that are most beneficial to
short-term ensembles techniques?
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How does it work in a network How do
uncertainties translate from point to point in a
hydrologic system?
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déjà vu Short- and long-term ESP needs to
address the man made influences such as
diversions and regulations. In the NWRFC area,
over 90 of the forecast points are influenced by
reservoir regulation and diversions. ESP is
unable to work on a variable set of rules used by
water managers. How do we quantify the
uncertainty of forecaster MODS?
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  • Benefits
  • Hydrologic users like uncertainty information to
    assess the confidence in the forecast. Is there
    benefit and how is it determined?
  • what is the timeline of short-term ESP being
    operational?
  • will the uncertainty represent the true
    knowledge of the forecast error?
  • need a system to develop and keep track of the
    uncertainty component to the forecast.
  • NWS needs the ability deliver/provide more ESP
    derived information.
  • requires a verification and validation system.

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Products Don wants
1)
2) Similar displays or information as number 1,
but for meteorological forcings. 3) Verification
outputs which are converted to layman terms.
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